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My Lords, I thought I had already offered to have further discussions, but I take the noble Lord’s point.

Member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1712
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I think my noble friend Lord Lucas and the noble Lord, Lord Fox, were looking for the draft regulations. I do not think I need to remind the Committee of my declaration of interests; at Second Reading, I reminded the House that I am still a practising solicitor....

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1712
House
House of Lords

I do not know whether I am allowed to intervene on this, but I wonder whether the noble Lord heard the Minister say that the Government are consulting on draft regulations. Perhaps he might ask the Minister to share those draft regulations with us during the process of consultation.

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1712
House
House of Lords

I completely agree and am very grateful to the noble Lord, who introduced the whole concept of “lumpy”. As well as “lumpy”, we are all talking about “flexible” and he also said “fluctuating”.

This has been a very helpful debate. I particularly enjoyed my noble friend Lord Moynihan of Chelsea describing...

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 cc1712-4
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Wirral

19B: Clause 1, page 10, line 26, at end insert—

“(13) The duty to offer guaranteed hours under Section 27BA(1) does not apply to workers who are full-time students.”

Member's explanatory statement

This subsection provides that the duty to offer a guaranteed hours arrangement under Section 27BA(1) does not...

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1714
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as I indicated, we now return to students and the guaranteed-hours exemption for full-time students. Amendment 19B is in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Sharpe of Epsom.

At Second Reading, I heard the Government’s intention, as part of their growth agenda, to get young people...

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 cc1714-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I strongly support this amendment in the name of my noble friend. I am an employer, and I have declared my interest in the register. I founded and was the executive director of a think tank for over the best part of a quarter of a century, and...

Member
Baroness Lawlor (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1715
House
House of Lords

: My Lords, this debate takes me back to my own student days and the work that I did as a student. It was not very glamorous, I have to say. I did the overnight shift shelf-stacking at Gateway, which set me up, obviously,

to be a Peer in your...

Member
Lord Jackson of Peterborough (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 cc1715-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I may also go down memory lane about aspects of employment—it was a variety of activities. Where I slightly disagree with my noble friend Lord Hunt, who moved the amendment, is that I expect the Minister will simply say that students are not required to accept a guaranteed-hours...

Member
Baroness Coffey (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 cc1718-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this has been a useful debate on the subject of those who may be made exempt from the scope of the right to guaranteed hours. First off, I say to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, that it is quite right that the Government have a detailed plan to...

Member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 cc1719-1720
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this has been a valuable debate; I agree with the Minister. Indeed, I welcomed her admission that zero-hours contracts work very well for students and are valued by them. I was interested in the TUC survey. All the surveys I have seen so far tell this Committee that...

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1720
House
House of Lords

As everybody does.

Member
Lord Goddard of Stockport (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1720
House
House of Lords

Yes. I had to turn up at 5 am and then read the news.

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1720
House
House of Lords

I am excited by the noble Lord’s anecdote, as I was by other noble Lords’ anecdotes, but would he perhaps concede that that was several years ago and the employment market, and indeed the student body, might have changed somewhat since then?

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1720
House
House of Lords

Sadly, yes. I was on a student grant and they were abolished, so I cannot draw too many analogies. My noble friend enticed me down memory lane.

I just wanted to see what the adverse effect of this amendment might be if we were to exclude full-time students. My noble friend...

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1721
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Lucas

21A: Clause 2, page 19, line 11, after “notice”, insert “of no more than 24 hours”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment seeks to define a reasonable maximum period of temporary work for agency workers in primary legislation will help remove any uncertainty for businesses worried about genuine temp work being...

Member
Lord Lucas (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1721
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I hope this amendment will come under the “lumpiness seminar” we have been promised. It is about what “reasonable notice” means in the Government’s intentions and how this will work in practice.

This again comes back to my request to the clerk. How did this work in the case...

Member
Lord Lucas (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 cc1721-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak to my Amendment 29 and support my noble friend Lord Fox’s Amendment 27. My amendment probes the Government’s intended meaning for the phrase “reasonably believed”, which relates to short-notice cancellation of shifts. This phrase may seem innocuous at first glance, but it carries considerable weight...

Member
Lord Goddard of Stockport (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 c1722
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I speak in favour of Amendment 22, which would allow the duty to provide reasonable notice not to apply in certain cases, and Amendment 24, which would do likewise for the duty to provide compensation under new Section 27BP(1). The Bill’s approach is likely to damage the effective...

Member
Baroness Lawlor (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 cc1722-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will comment briefly on my noble friend Lord Sharpe of Epsom’s Amendment 28, which replaces the test of reasonable belief with that of formal confirmation. I mentioned earlier the work done by the Low Pay Commission on zero-hours contracts when it reported in 2018. It also examined...

Member
Baroness Noakes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2025
Reference
845 cc1724-5
House
House of Lords