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Lords report stage first day. Amendment 4 to clause 2 agreed to on division (318 votes to 234). Amendments 5 and 6 to clause 2 agreed to. New clause, after clause 15, debated and withdrawn. Government new clause, after clause 16, agreed to. New clause, after clause 16, debated and...

Lead member
Baroness Williams of Trafford; Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay; Lord Wolfson of Tredegar
Department
Home Office; Ministry of Justice
Type
Debates on bills
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1317-1398
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I speak personally in this debate. It is a privilege and a pleasure to follow the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, because I remember 1996. I was in the Chamber as a newly appointed Peer and remember very well Lord Jakobovits, who was quite a...

Member
Lord Winston (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1322-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is a privilege to speak to the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Altmann. I am not Jewish, but as a woman of faith I appreciate the complexities detailed in the amendments. I am grateful to all organisations which have kept us fully briefed throughout the...

Member
Baroness Uddin (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1323-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise to speak to the amendment tabled in my name and kindly supported by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, the noble Baroness, Lady Altmann, and the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, which I very much hope the Government will consider positively.

The reason I was...

Member
Baroness Meyer (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1333-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the amendments in this group seek once again to put parental alienation both in capitals and in the Bill. The noble Baroness, Lady Meyer, has again outlined her reasons for this. However, I do not hear any difference in objective from the amendments tabled in Committee. Those of...

Member
Baroness Brinton (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1334-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have supported this amendment on the basis that it shows what the general definitions reveal and include. I do not think that it will be necessary to pursue it, if we have a clear understanding that the sort of behaviour that the noble Baroness, Lady Meyer, has...

Member
Lord Mackay of Clashfern (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1336-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as one would expect, that was a fascinating contribution. In some ways, it answers a lot of my questions. I am completely behind the purpose of this amendment. To my mind, as someone who is experienced but not expert, there is nothing about the phrases in Clause 1(3)(c)...

Member
Lord Lucas (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 c1337
House
House of Lords

My Lords, my support for this amendment comes without the personal experience of the noble Baroness, Lady Meyer, or the legal expertise of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern. Like him, I hope that this amendment is unnecessary in reality. I cannot proceed without paying tribute to...

Member
Earl of Lytton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1337-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I agree with the Government’s decision to keep a broad definition of domestic abuse. I believe that the coercive nature of alienation is covered in the Bill, so I am afraid that I do not consider this amendment necessary. However, having not spoken on this issue in

Committee,...

Member
Baroness Sanderson of Welton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1339-1340
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I speak against Amendment 2 as I did against the comparable amendment in Committee. I also express my opposition to the inclusion of alienating behaviour in the statutory guidance.

In Committee, having begun examining the issue of claims of parental alienation with an open mind, I focused particularly on...

Member
Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1340-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, that was a very powerful speech in favour of the aims of the amendment. At the end of the last debate in Committee when I spoke I said that I was somewhat ambivalent, although I totally supported what my noble friend Lady Meyer was seeking to do. That...

Member
Lord Cormack (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1341-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support this amendment in the name of noble Baroness, Lady Meyer. I thank her for all the work she has done to try to minimise the amount of involvement in the Bill necessary to make us all aware of this important issue. The amendment is designed to...

Member
Baroness Watkins of Tavistock (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1343-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment and I pay tribute to my noble friend Lady Meyer for the work that she has done and, as my noble friend Lord Cormack said, the effort that she has put in to trying to make sure that the suffering...

Member
Baroness Altmann (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1344-5
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Meyer

2: Clause 1, page 2, line 12, at end insert “, such as a parent’s behaviour deliberately designed to damage the relationship between a child of the parent and the other parent.”

Member
Baroness Meyer (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 c1333
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the House for its indulgence. I apologise, because my internet connection collapsed completely during the speech of the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, and I missed a great deal of what she said.

Parental divorce or separation is the second most prevalent adverse event during childhood. There is...

Member
Lord Winston (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1355-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am terribly sorry to interrupt the noble and learned Baroness, but I think she may be speaking to a later

amendment, which we will reach in the ninth group. We are currently speaking to the amendment in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Meyer, on parental...

Member
Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1352-3
House
House of Lords

Although I have the deepest sympathy for those who have suffered this unjust behaviour from the other spousal partner, I do not believe that the amendment, for all its good intentions, should be part of the Bill or should be set in primary legislation. It is telling the judges to...

Member
Baroness Butler-Sloss (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 c1353
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I was very distressed during Committee on the Bill at the way the House has become so polarised over this amendment. I believe a way can and should be found to do justice to both sides of the argument, for both raise real and serious concerns.

Clearly the term...

Member
Lord Harries of Pentregarth (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1353-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have listened carefully to the speech of my noble friend Lady Meyer and to those who support the amendment. I recognise their sincerity and good intentions and their desire to do the right thing for the victims of abuse and, above all, for children. But I am...

Member
Baroness Helic (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 cc1354-5
House
House of Lords

The noble Baroness is now speaking to the amendment that comes in the next group. If she would constrain her remarks to the amendments in the first group, that would be appreciated.

Member
Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 March 2021
Reference
810 c1324
House
House of Lords