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My Lords, in some ways, the amendments from the noble Baroness, Lady Kramer—she has done the House a service in tabling them—go to the heart of some of the issues that we have with the Bill as a House. It is that tension between recognising that the Bill is inadequate...

Member
Baroness Smith of Basildon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 cc84-5
House
House of Lords

I asked not what the Government had done but what they were going to do.

Member
Baroness Smith of Basildon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c86
House
House of Lords

I can add to the Minister’s embarrassment. We are pleased to see these amendments brought forward. I have two questions. I think I understand why it is different, but it might be helpful if the Minister could put on record why one amendment refers to the Department of Finance in...

Member
Baroness Smith of Basildon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c94
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will be brief. I have listened very careful to the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and my understanding is that the Government are seeking to protect the enforcement bodies, such as the National Crime Agency, from the costs of legal action. Clearly, it is important to provide these...

Member
Baroness Smith of Basildon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 cc97-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this seems an appropriate group on which to end Committee. It seems almost as if we have gone full circle, as there has been a similar theme throughout the debates at Second Reading and in Committee.

This group of amendments brings two things to the debate. When I spoke...

Member
Baroness Smith of Basildon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 cc106-7
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Callanan

1: Clause 4, page 2, line 19, at end insert “and, where applicable, the statement and information mentioned in subsection (2A)”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment requires an application for registration as an overseas entity to include the information and statement required by subsection (2A) (information about trusts).

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c34
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 17. I am delighted that it has also been signed by the noble Lord, Lord Agnew. This would

extend the definition of a registerable beneficial owner of an overseas entity to include anyone who is the beneficial owner of land or property...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 cc36-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support the theme of what the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, just said, which is the general weakness of the definition of beneficial ownership in this Bill. It is very striking that in other jurisdictions within the British Isles that hold registers of beneficial ownership and have done...

Member
Lord Eatwell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c37
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we find ourselves in an unusual position. Normally, this House is trying to knock the edges off overzealous legislation and limit the powers the Government have a tendency to give themselves. In this Bill, we are trying to achieve the exact opposite: to strengthen the powers and close...

Member
Lord Vaux of Harrowden (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 cc38-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall speak in support of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and his Amendment 17. I recognise that the Government have made big strides in the last few days to listen to the concerns which are so widely held. However, given all this effort, and given that the...

Member
Lord Agnew of Oulton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c39
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for the way in which he has engaged with his officials to try to address some of the concerns which have been raised.

I will also pick up the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Vaux, about something which concerns all noble Lords about this Bill:...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 cc39-41
House
House of Lords

I will just underline one point that the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, made. At Second Reading we got the impression that there was quite a limited list of items that were going to go into the second economic crime Bill. Can we have an assurance at this opening stage from...

Member
Lord Cromwell (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c41
House
House of Lords

I just make a very brief point to my noble friend. Because of migraine, I was unable to take part in Second Reading; I had to go home. I was going to make the point then that, if ever a Bill needed continuous post-legislative scrutiny, it is this one. Can...

Member
Lord Cormack (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c41
House
House of Lords

First, I thank noble Lords for their comments. I do not disagree with the sentiments of a lot of what has been said. I say to the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, that I absolutely appreciate the points that he has made. This is a very complicated and technical area of...

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 cc41-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I think that everybody in this House, as was the case last week, is on the same page, and we do not want to be seen to be arguing amongst ourselves until the early hours of the morning about something that is so significant. But can I ask...

Member
Lord Empey (Ulster Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c44
House
House of Lords

My Lords, perhaps I could just add to what the noble Lord has just said. The Minister mentioned the regulations which are possible post the passing of the Bill. Will he undertake to review some of the points made during the passage of this Bill and consider whether or not...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c44
House
House of Lords

Indeed, I am happy to provide the reassurances that both noble Lords have asked for—in the case of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, in terms of the regulations, and in the case of the noble Lord, Lord Empey, that we see this as an iterative process. As I mentioned, this...

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c44
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Agnew of Oulton

3: Clause 4, page 3, line 21, at end insert—

“(3A) The registrar may request further information to be provided in a timely manner where there appear to be material omissions or suspected false statements.

(3B) An application may not be accepted unless the registrar is satisfied that...

Member
Lord Agnew of Oulton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c45
House
House of Lords

I really want to carry on in a similar vein to earlier comments, and what my Amendment 3 is trying to do is to give more levers to government and enforcement agencies to force out information when we are worried that the information is not clear. My noble friend made...

Member
Lord Agnew of Oulton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 c45
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise to speak to a number of amendments in my name in this group—there are eight of them—and I will be fairly brief.

First, Amendments 5 and 13 basically ask the beneficial owners and various other parties to provide their former names. In Part 4 of Schedule 1,...

Member
Lord Sikka (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
820 cc45-6
House
House of Lords