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Lords message considered. Motion that this House disagrees with the Lords in their amendments 2D and 2E, but proposes in lieu of those amendments, amendment (a) to its amendment 2B, and amendment (b) to its amendment 2C. Agreed to on division (293 to 159). Motion that this House insists on...

Lead member
Sarah Jones
Answering member
Matt Vickers
Department
Home Office
Type
Debates on bills
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784
House
House of Commons

I beg to move,

That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendments 2D and 2E but proposes in lieu of those amendments Amendment (a) to its Amendment 2B and Amendment (b) to its Amendment 2C.

Member
Sarah Jones (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c102
House
House of Commons

I hope we are on the home straight with this enormous piece of legislation. I start by welcoming the fact that the House of Lords has heeded many of the arguments and votes in this House last week—of the 19 issues that I went through in my speech last Tuesday,...

Member
Sarah Jones (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 cc102-3
House
House of Commons

The Minister is using words such as “may”. What she has outlined is incredibly important, but Lords amendment 342 obviously goes further than “may”—it insists that diversion orders will involve those necessary consultations. Will the Minister commit today to making sure that the police will have all these statutory duties,...

Member
Joshua Reynolds (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c103
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman has anticipated what I was going to say. I will explain what we want to see as we go forward. It is important to recognise that the court will need to consider the necessity and proportionality of the order when making its decision, and that will necessarily...

Member
Sarah Jones (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 cc104-5
House
House of Commons

I thank the Minister, as always, for her hard work. In the other place, Lord Weir of Ballyholme highlighted freedom of speech in relation to the Public Order Act 1986. Within the Bill coming forward tonight, there is a fine line in terms of the expression of belief, such as...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c105
House
House of Commons

As the hon. Gentleman said, there is a fine line to tread throughout public order legislation. We come back to these issues time and again, and it is right that we do so. As times change, the nature of protests changes and the nature of the risks changes. We have...

Member
Sarah Jones (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c105
House
House of Commons

Once again, I thank the other place and right hon. and hon. Members across the House for their work on this Bill. The Government had an opportunity with this Bill to create a safer society and to protect people from harm. As I outlined previously, I would like to have...

Member
Matt Vickers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 cc105-6
House
House of Commons

Lords amendment 11 relates to the police powers to crush vehicles, which are rarely used for fly-tipping. I remind my hon. Friend and the House that similar powers exist for hare coursing. Once one or two high-profile hare coursing cases had been handled that way, it had a dramatic effect...

Member
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c106
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is entirely right. Rural communities across the country know only too well the consequences of hare coursing, and making an example of it and that being seen in our community sends a real message to those who would offend in such a way.

Lords amendment 359 relates to...

Member
Matt Vickers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c106
House
House of Commons

Just yesterday, two young men in their 20s and 30s who had stood up for freedom in Iran were hanged by the IRGC, because it is in charge there at the moment. Four weeks ago, six people whose only crime was fighting for freedom by protesting on the streets were...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c106
House
House of Commons

I could not agree more. When such evil and such vileness is on display, we need to act, and we need to act in our national interest to protect our people from some of the horrors that we have seen perpetrated abroad by these sick individuals.

Member
Matt Vickers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c107
House
House of Commons

I will support the hon. Gentleman’s request for us to back the amendment and not disagree with it, as the Government have asked, although I could easily be convinced that Governments should be making these decisions themselves, rather than Parliament making decisions on proscription or otherwise. Does he think that...

Member
Gavin Robinson (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c107
House
House of Commons

We have seen significant developments on that front. Only this afternoon we were debating the issue of antisemitism and where that has got to, and the real-world consequences for people in this country of the actions of the IRGC and associated groups—in other words, state-backed terrorism. The Government need to...

Member
Matt Vickers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 cc107-8
House
House of Commons

I thank the Minister and the shadow Minister for opening the debate.

I oppose Lords amendment 11, but I do recognise its merits. Let me begin, however, by talking about the wider issue of fly-tipping, which is an absolute bugbear of mine. When I go canvassing, or indeed when I visit...

Member
Chris Vince (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c108
House
House of Commons

We all enjoyed listening to my hon. Friend talk about Neil, and he is right to talk about the impact of fly-tipping in rural communities—not just in Essex, but in Staffordshire too. He said that one of the reasons why the powers have not been used was the lack of...

Member
Adam Jogee (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c108
House
House of Commons

I do not know much about Staffordshire’s police and crime commissioner, but I absolutely take on board what my hon. Friend says. If that is the case, it is hugely disappointing. It is hugely important that police and crime commissioners across the country take seriously all parts of the areas...

Member
Chris Vince (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c109
House
House of Commons

I will simply say that the less I say, the better.

Member
Adam Jogee (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c109
House
House of Commons

To return my hon. Friend’s compliment, I often like hearing what he has to say. I would say that more is more.

Member
Chris Vince (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c109
House
House of Commons

The problem is that I am not sure that my police and crime commissioner would like to hear what I have to say.

Member
Adam Jogee (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 April 2026
Reference
784 c109
House
House of Commons