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Type
Public acts
Date
11 July 2023
Reference
CHAP 32 2023; 2023 c. 32

Lords message considered. After clause 14, motion to disagree with Lords amendment 22B, agreed to on division (289 to 199). Lords amendment 122B disagreed to and Government amendment (a) in lieu of Lords amendment 122B agreed to. Motion that a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned...

Lead member
Tom Tugendhat
Answering member
Holly Lynch
Department
Home Office
Type
Debates on bills
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 cc94-112
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 22B.

Member
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c97
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to bring the National Security Bill back to this House. I must once again highlight the importance of the Bill’s achieving Royal Assent in a timely manner. Our police and intelligence services need the tools and powers that it contains; the longer they go without, the...

Member
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c97
House
House of Commons

Why doesn’t the Minister just accept the Lords amendments, then, so that we can move straight to getting the Bill on the statute book?

Member
Maria Eagle (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c97
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Lady will be delighted to hear the rest of my speech, in which I answer her wonderful questions.

As this House will be aware, the Intelligence and Security Committee memorandum of understanding can already be revised by agreement, which is one of the points that the right hon....

Member
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c97
House
House of Commons

That is fine, but the ISC has been raising this issue for the past two years. It takes two to tango. Unfortunately, the only reason we have this Lords amendment is a sense of frustration—certainly among members of the ISC, but also among a lot of Members of this House.

Member
Lord Beamish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c97
House
House of Commons

I assure the right hon. Gentleman that I have heard him. I hope that the amendment will now satisfy the ISC with respect to its concerns. I am sure that hon. Members across the House will support Government amendment (a) in lieu.

I turn to Lords amendment 22B, which would require...

Member
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 cc97-8
House
House of Commons

The Minister is one of the House’s experts on the malign influence of foreign money in this country and the creation of Londongrad, so he knows all too well that money from foreign powers is coming into the bank accounts of UK citizens and then moving almost immediately—sometimes even overnight—into...

Member
Liam Byrne (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c98
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Gentleman flatters me, which is always a way to succeed in this place, but he will forgive me if I carry on, because I will address some of those points. He will see that I have considered them, and that there are some areas in which there...

Member
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 cc98-9
House
House of Commons

I thank the Minister for giving way once again. He is being characteristically generous.

We may as well test the argument he is rehearsing against facts that are now known. Mr Mohamed Amersi, for example, has given something like £775,000 to political causes in this country. The Financial Times has reported...

Member
Liam Byrne (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c99
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Gentleman, as he will understand, raises an individual about whom I will not comment. The Government will not take a position of that nature on an individual based on such comments. I will not address him specifically.

What I will say is that there have been reports of...

Member
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c99
House
House of Commons

I thank the Minister for his opening contribution as these two additions to the National Security Bill return to the Commons once again.

The Minister has made the case for Government amendment (a) in lieu of Lords amendment 122B. I have a great deal of respect for him, as he knows,...

Member
Holly Lynch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c100
House
House of Commons

Does my hon. Friend agree that intelligence and security activities are now undertaken by a wider assortment of policy Departments, including those that generally do not carry out national security-related activities? Those teams are not listed in the ISC’s memorandum of understanding, and therefore there is a scrutiny gap that...

Member
Maria Eagle (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c100
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for making that important point. The annual report lists a number of policy Departments. Although the Select Committees do incredibly important work, they are not able to see the same information because their members do not have the same clearance as members...

Member
Holly Lynch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 cc100-1
House
House of Commons

I commend the shadow Minister for her thoughts. I suppose the rationale for opposing Lords amendment 122B is the Justice and Security Act 2013. Does she have any idea why the Government are reluctant to concede to a review as the legislation evolves? That seems to be a simple way...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c101
House
House of Commons

It would be unwise to speculate at the Dispatch Box, but I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for making that point. In the absence of clarity, he is right to put that question to the Government. Why have we not seen progress on this? It would seem to be...

Member
Holly Lynch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 cc101-2
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is making a brilliant speech. Does she agree that the scale of this potential risk is now unprecedented, not least because in 2019 we saw the most expensive election year in British political history? More than £100 million flowed into British political parties then. Does that not...

Member
Liam Byrne (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c102
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for that, as he is absolutely right. I think we can all come together to recognise the responsibility that falls to all of us to clean up our democracy as much as we can. The world has changed, even since we started...

Member
Holly Lynch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c102
House
House of Commons
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 June 2023
Reference
735 c102
House
House of Commons