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Lords report stage. Amendment 1 agreed to on division (221 to 197). Amendment 2 agreed to. Amendment 4 agreed to on division (232 to 201). Amendment 5 agreed to on division (220 to 196). Amendment 7 agreed to on division (213 to 184). Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed...

Lead member
Lord Callanan
Answering member
Lord Collins of Highbury
Department
Department for Energy Security and Net Zero
Type
Debates on bills
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Fox

1: The Schedule, page 3, line 31, at end insert—

“(5) The powers conferred by this section must not be exercised unless a consultation on the potential impact of their use has been carried out, published, and reviewed by a committee of each House of Parliament whose remit includes...

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1222
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome the Minister to his chair.

Amendment 1 is in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Collins. This amendment is agnostic about what is thought about the legislation’s purpose; you might support its intentions or you might reject them, and there are groups coming up...

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 cc1222-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, very briefly, I support this amendment. It seems to me that we have seen Bill after Bill in which this Government have chosen to bypass Parliament and leave too many decisions to Secretaries of State. Therefore, for me, as a former member of the Delegated Powers and Regulatory...

Member
Baroness Meacher (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1223
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I too will be brief in strongly supporting this amendment. Whatever your Lordships’ views about the state of industrial relations in this country, we should all agree, across this House, that a rushed process which puts power over making laws into the hands of Ministers without proper parliamentary...

Member
Lord Collins of Highbury (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 cc1223-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I apologise for keeping the House waiting for the start of the debate; the previous business finished much earlier than everyone expected.

I am grateful to those who have contributed to this debate, although clearly we have repeated a lot of what was discussed in previous debates. The House...

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1225
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank both noble Lords for their support for this amendment. The Minister is right that much of this debate has been had before in Committee. He is also right when he describes this as the normal way. I am afraid it has become the normal way that...

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1225
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Callanan

2: The Schedule, page 4, line 23, leave out from “to” to end of line 24 and insert—

“(a) whether the person is or is not a member of a trade union,

(b) whether the person has or has not—

(i) taken part in the activities of a trade union, or

(ii)...

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 cc1225-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 2 in my name. The House will know that the Government were clear at the introduction of the Bill that employers must not have regard to a person’s trade union status when producing a work notice. Employers should identify the workers who are...

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1229
House
House of Lords

My Lords, very briefly, it is appreciated that the Minister has done this and that the Government have understood that there was ambiguity. In a sense, it is a shame that the Minister has not taken all our advice, but we thank the Government for taking this particular piece.

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1229
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it would be churlish not to acknowledge that we appreciate what this amendment will do.

Member
Lord Hendy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1230
House
House of Lords

My Lords, noble Lords have broadly welcomed this and clearly want to move on to another section, so I do not think I have any points to raise in response.

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1230
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd

3: The Schedule, page 4, line 40, at end insert—

“234CA Work notices: further provision

(1) In the event that the Secretary of State makes minimum service regulations under section 234B—

(a) no obligation is imposed on any employer to give a work notice under section 234C;

(b) no person...

Member
Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1230
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will move an amendment on a very short point and I am grateful for the support of the noble Lord, Lord Allan of Hallam. The schedule to the Bill sets out the procedure for giving a work notice and the Explanatory Notes say that it is intended...

Member
Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 cc1230-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas, to which I have added my name. A benefit of the Committee stage in this House is that it allows us to identify concerns that may not have been apparent when a Bill...

Member
Lord Allan of Hallam (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 cc1231-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, many people in this House will know that I have a firm belief that the best industrial relations are conducted by two parties that are trying to achieve objectives in common and are not clashing with each other. This amendment basically helps that to happen because it says...

Member
Lord Balfe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 cc1232-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas, for his constructive engagement on this matter. He wrote to us about it and has had a reply, so he knows the Government’s position. We believe that the current drafting of the legislation strikes the right balance so that,...

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1233
House
House of Lords

It is disappointing that the Government will not put in the Bill what the position is. The word “may” is too ambiguous. I am afraid we may be back to the kind of thing that happened 50 years ago, as we are seeing a large number of disputes go to...

Member
Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 c1233
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness O'Grady of Upper Holloway

4: The Schedule, page 4, line 40, at end insert—

“234CA Protection of employees

(1) A person is not subject to a work notice if the person in question has not received a copy of the work notice.

(2) It is for the employer to prove that an...

Member
Baroness O'Grady of Upper Holloway (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 cc1233-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak to the amendment in my name and the names of the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of London and the noble Lord, Lord Fox. This amendment would ensure that an individual employee named in a work notice cannot be sacked or sanctioned if they do...

Member
Baroness O'Grady of Upper Holloway (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 April 2023
Reference
829 cc1234-5
House
House of Lords