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Motion that this House has considered e-petition 740671 relating to personal allowance for state pensioners. Agreed to on question.

Lead member
John Lamont
Answering member
Torsten Bell
Department
Department for Work and Pensions
Type
e-petition debates
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 cc257-271WH
House
House of Commons

I beg to move,

That this House has considered e-petition 740671 relating to personal allowance for state pensioners.

It is a pleasure to see you in the Chair, Dr Huq. I pay tribute to the petitioner, Tim Mason, and the 120,000 people who have signed the petition, including hundreds in my constituency...

Member
John Lamont (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 cc257-9WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Dr Huq. I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk (John Lamont) for opening this incredibly important debate, and I thank the Petitions Committee for scheduling it today.

I represent the communities of Rustington and East Preston, often...

Member
Alison Griffiths (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 cc259-260WH
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c260WH
House
House of Commons

I am extremely grateful for your indulgence and generosity, Dr Huq. I wish to speak because I have enjoyed correspondence with the Minister at the Treasury Bench on exactly this subject on behalf of constituents who have written to me. Not only has he replied to me to address the...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 cc260-1WH
House
House of Commons

My final point is that the Government have options to take and choices to make. Of course, pensions are funded from the welfare budget. There are those, perhaps including some Members on the Conservative Benches, who say that the triple lock is no longer sustainable. The Minister himself might have...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 cc261-2WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairship, Dr Huq. The Liberal Democrats have said clearly that we think it is both wrong and unfair that the Government have implemented a stealth tax grab that will hit some of the lowest-paid and most vulnerable the hardest, by maintaining a...

Member
Charlie Maynard (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 cc262-3WH
House
House of Commons

Thank you, Dr Huq, for your stewardship of this important debate. I also thank my hon. Friend the Member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk (John Lamont) for introducing the debate. Most importantly, I thank the 119,000 people who signed this petition, 247 of whom are from my constituency of Wyre...

Member
Mark Garnier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 cc263-5WH
House
House of Commons

I will chunter from a standing position shortly.

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c265WH
House
House of Commons

I am sure that the Minister will chunter intelligently at some point.

In our 2024 manifesto, the Conservative party proposed the triple lock plus to stop this problem happening. It would have exempted the state pension from income tax, as the threshold would have risen at the same rate as the...

Member
Mark Garnier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 cc265-6WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to speak in the debate with you in the Chair, Dr Huq. I thank the hon. Member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk (John Lamont) for opening it and for rightly highlighting and celebrating the fall in pensioner poverty, while noting that that is no grounds for...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c266WH
House
House of Commons

I recently met a constituent on the basic state pension who told me that rising living costs were leaving him worse off in real terms. What consideration have the Government given to reviewing pension thresholds? In particular, is a phased increase over several years being explored?

Member
Alison Hume (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c266WH
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for her question. Our approach is to increase the basic pension and the new state pension in the years ahead, because pensioners, as well as the population as a whole, have seen living standards pressures in recent years. As her constituent’s case shows, the foundation...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c266WH
House
House of Commons

Will the Minister give way?

Member
Mark Garnier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c266WH
House
House of Commons

Of course. I look forward to the denunciation of the hon. Gentleman’s previous Prime Minister.

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c267WH
House
House of Commons

It is interesting that the Minister raises that point. He will no doubt remember that Chancellor Gordon Brown raised the state pension by, I think, 50p a week. Did he support that policy by one of his predecessor Chancellors?

Member
Mark Garnier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c267WH
House
House of Commons

He was not my predecessor, because I am the Pensions Minister and Gordon Brown was never a Pensions Minister. Does the hon. Gentleman know who was? Margaret Thatcher. Gordon Brown oversaw big falls in pensioner poverty. Why? Because he introduced pension credit in the early 2000s. That then drove the...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c267WH
House
House of Commons

I am delighted to hear about the increase in pensions. The Minister can tell us what they increased by, but can he perhaps tell us what they were reduced by with the taxation that they were then dragged into?

Member
Alison Griffiths (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c267WH
House
House of Commons

It is for the Chair to decide what is appropriate, but I will come on to the question of fair rates of tax. We should be clear and transparent in how we talk about this issue: any increase in the rate of the state pension is always significantly greater than...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 cc267-8WH
House
House of Commons

The hon. Member has undersold me: I am right honourable, as he ought to know, really. Leaving that to one side, he will know that £253 billion is spent on non-pensioner welfare benefits. Many of those are entirely laudable—as I described when I spoke, the chronically sick, the infirm and...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 June 2026
Reference
787 c268WH
House
House of Commons