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Lords committee stage sixth day. Clause 16 agreed to. New clause debated and withdrawn. Clauses 17 to 34 agreed to. Government amendment made to clause 35. Clause 35 agreed to as amended. Clauses 36 to 38 agreed to. New clause debated and withdrawn. New clause under consideration.

Lead member
Lord Bethell; Baroness Penn
Department
Department of Health and Social Care
Type
Debates on bills; Committee proceedings
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc621-690GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff

95: Clause 16, page 9, line 18, leave out “may” and insert “must”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment is designed to seek assurances from the Minister that the Government will proceed to make regulations under the Bill, setting up the new information system envisaged by Clause 16.

Member
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 c622GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this is a large group of amendments relating to expert registries. I have Amendments 95, 99, 100 and 101 and support the others in this group.

First, I welcome Clause 16, which the Government added during the Bill’s passage in the other place. The clause is a clear step...

Member
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc622-4GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, for introducing this group. As a surgeon, I will focus on the registries and, in particular, the National Joint Registry—the NJR—and the Breast and Cosmetic Implant Registry. The noble Lord, Lord Hunt, was Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State when the NJR was...

Member
Lord Ribeiro (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc624-5GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am very glad to have the opportunity to follow my noble friend Lord Ribeiro and to speak to my Amendment 104. I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay of Llandaff, for bringing forward her amendments as well. They highlight some useful points and—particularly Amendment 101—focus...

Member
Lord Lansley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc625-6GC
House
House of Lords

This string of amendments all talk about recording information, and I broadly agree with all of them. I particularly mention Amendment 104, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lansley, because of the mention of the Caldicott principles. Many people, particularly noble Lords in the Liberal Democrat party, jealously...

Member
Baroness Burt of Solihull (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc626-7GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, first, I apologise for not being able to participate at earlier stages of the Bill because of the clash with speaking in the Chamber. I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, on introducing these amendments and, especially, my noble friend Lady Cumberlege for all her work in preparing...

Member
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc627-8GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Amendments 100 and 101 make clear that there should be means by which patients can report into registries directly so that they can be heard even if there is divergence of opinion with their clinician. Patients need to be protected. I support all the amendments in this group...

Member
Baroness Masham of Ilton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 c628GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I particularly welcomed the remarks of my noble friend Lady Burt, as they took me back to the days in the 1990s when I taught IT. I taught A-level students the differences between databases, tables and registers. I totally support these amendments about registries and databases relating

to...

Member
Baroness Jolly (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc628-9GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this group concerns the need to set up information systems—registries—which will serve the purpose of tracking medical devices. I thank the Minister and the Bill team for their very enlightening and useful presentation this

morning. The noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, and other noble Lords have already explained to...

Member
Baroness Thornton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc629-630GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we had an excellent debate last week on the subject of medical device information systems at Clause 16, which is critical for how we will go forward on these points. The noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, seeks in Amendment 95 to confirm that the Government will make regulations to...

Member
Lord Bethell (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc630-3GC
House
House of Lords

No, that is a mistake. Somebody else involved with the conversation that I have been having thought that I wanted to come in on this occasion. I thought that I would give noble Lords a rest—they hear enough from me, so on this occasion I did not want to come...

Member
Baroness Cumberlege (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 c633GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who not only spoke in support of the amendments in this group but expanded on them and provided additional information.

I understand the Minister saying that it is important to get this right and not rush, and that the consultation will inform the SIs....

Member
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc633-4GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Wheeler

105: After Clause 16, insert the following new Clause—

“Requirement for consultation with devolved authorities

(1) Before making regulations under section 16 that contain provision which is within the legislative competence of a devolved legislature, the Secretary of State must consult the relevant devolved authority on that provision and have...

Member
Baroness Wheeler (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc634-5GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am moving Amendment 105 on behalf of my noble friend Lady Thornton; it leads the group of amendments following Clause 16, which provides the legal framework for the medical devices information system. I will also speak to our other amendments in this group—Amendments 128, 130 and 132—and...

Member
Baroness Wheeler (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc635-8GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, in speaking to my Amendment 127, I also speak in support of the amendments referred to by the noble Baroness, Lady Wheeler, on consultation with the devolved Administrations. While Scotland is devolved in terms of healthcare, the regulations on medicines and medical devices, particularly market authorisation, is not....

Member
Lord Patel (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 c636GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, all the amendments in this group deal with the very important question of consultation. As the DPRRC has pointed out in its report on the Bill, consultations are not a substitute for proper parliamentary scrutiny, which the Bill so obviously fails to provide, but in the absence of...

Member
Lord Sharkey (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc636-640GC
House
House of Lords

It is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Sharkey. I share his concerns about the quality, depth and effectiveness of far too many consultations. As he was speaking, I was looking at an editorial article in the British Medical Journal, which says:

“The medical-political complex tends towards suppression of...

Member
Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 c640GC
House
House of Lords

Thank you. I will not go back to the beginning but I was speaking about the need for consistent data, which the Minister referred to in his earlier summing up. We have, of course, diverging systems and that is the point of devolution: it is for the devolved nations and...

Member
Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 c641GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I join my noble friend Lady McIntosh of Pickering in apologising for having my name to amendments here while I have found myself in proceedings on another Bill which was fairly encompassing in the sense that it required a good deal of attention to understand what was going...

Member
Lord Mackay of Clashfern (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 November 2020
Reference
807 cc641-2GC
House
House of Lords