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With permission, Mr Speaker, I should like to make a statement on the Government’s plans for reform of defence procurement. The 2010 strategic defence and security review set out the Government’s vision of an agile armed forces designed to face the challenges of the 21st century. Central to delivering and...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 cc146-8
House
House of Commons

I thank the Secretary of State for advance and early sight of his statement.

For the second time in a few weeks the Secretary of State has been forced to come to the House to explain and clarify, and reassure Members about, key components of his Defence Reform Bill, which will...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 cc147-150
House
House of Commons

That was predictable stuff. The hon. Gentleman claims that we have wasted three years. When it comes to reforming defence procurement, his lot are responsible for wasting 13 years. If I can give him a bit of friendly advice, I would be very careful about using the words “debacle” and...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c149
House
House of Commons

I will come to the hon. Lady in a minute.

We have to deal with the situation as it exists and we have to find solutions. What I have outlined today is the solution to the challenge facing DE&S in the real world.

The hon. Gentleman asked some specific questions. He asked...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 cc151-2
House
House of Commons

My right hon. Friend has just said that these changes would

“permit the recruitment into DE&S of key commercial and technical staff at market rates and with minimum bureaucracy”.

What exactly does that mean? Does it mean that the civil service terms and conditions of service have been abandoned and only for...

Member
Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c152
House
House of Commons

It means that the Treasury and the Cabinet Office have agreed that we will have a bespoke regime for this central Government trading entity, recognising that it faces one of the most commercial sectors of the marketplace. We will be able to employ people with technical and high-level management skills...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c152
House
House of Commons

The part of Bernard Gray’s report with which the previous Government, who commissioned it, had the most difficulty was that concerned with the GoCo company, because at that stage we could not see how it could be made to work. The process that the right hon. Gentleman has been through...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c152
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for his question, because he knows something about this. I recognise his concern, but it is my judgment that

the kind of people we are looking to attract into DE&S—people with high-level commercial skills—will not be afraid of the possibility of a...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 cc152-3
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my right hon. Friend on having grasped this particularly difficult nettle. Does he agree that in addressing the skills issue so ably highlighted by Bernard Gray, these proposals raise the prospect of having an intelligent customer in the Ministry of Defence and therefore of avoiding some of the...

Member
Gerald Howarth (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c153
House
House of Commons

There were two questions there. First, my hon. Friend is absolutely right to point out that for a customer-supplier interface to work, we need skills on both sides. This is not just about upskilling DE&S; simultaneously, we are also carrying out a project within the MOD that will continue to...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c153
House
House of Commons

The long-standing inability of the MOD properly to manage procurement continues with this debacle, but what concerns me is not just the project or financial management of procurement, but the delivery of often life-saving equipment to our service personnel. Does the Secretary of State agree, therefore, that whatever emerges from...

Member
Angus Robertson (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c153
House
House of Commons

This is probably not the time for a discussion about anti-collision systems, which I know is a subject the hon. Gentleman has raised recently and no doubt will want to raise again. Hon. Members must

understand the distinction, however, between failures of the procurement process and the difficult prioritisation of...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c153
House
House of Commons

I commend the Defence Secretary for the practical decision he has announced today and congratulate him on the progress he has already made in tackling the long-running problems of defence acquisition, not least in empowering the front-line commands, reducing the number of changes to requirements and upskilling the MOD as...

Member
Nick Harvey (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c154
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. There is a long history of failure in defence procurement by Governments of both main parties going back decades. We now have to construct a model that works. As I just said to the right hon. Member for Coventry North East (Mr Ainsworth), the...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c154
House
House of Commons

There was surely no reason the Secretary of State had to wait until the GoCo option had collapsed before coming forward with these amended DE&S plus proposals. Does that not show that he was never truly neutral on the choice between an in-house option and a GoCo, that he wanted...

Member
Lord Walney (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c154
House
House of Commons

I remind the hon. Gentleman that his Front-Bench spokesman welcomed the competition and said that we needed to test the GoCo proposition against the DE&S plus proposition—

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c154
House
House of Commons

Read Hansard.

Member
Lord Beamish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c154
House
House of Commons

I have the Hansard quote in front of me. The former shadow Secretary of State welcomed the competition and said that we needed to test the two propositions against each other, which is what we have

done. The hon. Member for Barrow and Furness (John Woodcock) makes an assertion that...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 cc154-5
House
House of Commons

Although I accept that the Secretary of State had little choice but to make the announcement that he has made today to the House, I am sure that he will share my deep sense of regret that we cannot move more rapidly to the greater savings and performance improvements that...

Member
Peter Luff (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c155
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my hon. Friend—someone who, again, knows something about this from his long service in the Department. The key distinction is between a model that puts the private sector in day-to-day leadership of the organisation—working on an incentivised fee that places it at risk—and a model where...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 December 2013
Reference
572 c155
House
House of Commons