I hope that the hon. Gentleman will tell me how many people whom we treat now it is acceptable not to treat.

I hope that the hon. Gentleman will tell me how many people whom we treat now it is acceptable not to treat.

We have only a little time left to consider the final groups of amendments, and I am sure hon. Members who wish to participate are especially keen to comment on the exclusions from mental disorder provisions in the second raft of amendments. I shall therefore speak only briefly about the...

We have only a little time left to consider the final groups of amendments, and I am sure hon. Members who wish to participate are especially keen to comment on the exclusions from mental disorder provisions in the second raft of amendments. I shall therefore speak only briefly about the...

I rise to move amendment No. 88. I have never moved an amendment in the House before and I cannot think of a better one with which to start. [Interruption.] Am I not speaking about amendment No. 88? Am I not on the right track? I appear to be causing...

I rise to move amendment No. 88. I have never moved an amendment in the House before and I cannot think of a better one with which to start. [Interruption.] Am I not speaking about amendment No. 88? Am I not on the right track? I appear to be causing...

Does the Minister think it acceptable that 1,300 people commit suicide now? If it is all so rosy under her proposals, why are 1,300 not being prevented from committing suicide now?

Does the Minister think it acceptable that 1,300 people commit suicide now? If it is all so rosy under her proposals, why are 1,300 not being prevented from committing suicide now?

That is a ridiculous argument. The hon. Gentleman has said that we should prevent people from committing suicide, but he has tabled a new clause that would increase the likelihood of its happening. His policy is to accept this Government’s suicide prevention strategy, which includes measures in this Bill to...

That is a ridiculous argument. The hon. Gentleman has said that we should prevent people from committing suicide, but he has tabled a new clause that would increase the likelihood of its happening. His policy is to accept this Government’s suicide prevention strategy, which includes measures in this Bill to...

The Minister has used her usual tactics of trying to confuse the Opposition into submission. Why is it that the Royal College of Psychiatrists, the BMA, Dr. Genevra Richardson, the British Psychological Society, the pre-legislative scrutiny committee, black and minority ethnic groups and the Disability Rights Commission are wrong and...

The Minister has used her usual tactics of trying to confuse the Opposition into submission. Why is it that the Royal College of Psychiatrists, the BMA, Dr. Genevra Richardson, the British Psychological Society, the pre-legislative scrutiny committee, black and minority ethnic groups and the Disability Rights Commission are wrong and...

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

They are not real people. Those are completely hypothetical figures that the Minister is characteristically using to try to caricature the case that is being put to her. I referred to a lower threshold. I also said that there is no evidence that she can produce that the numbers subject...

They are not real people. Those are completely hypothetical figures that the Minister is characteristically using to try to caricature the case that is being put to her. I referred to a lower threshold. I also said that there is no evidence that she can produce that the numbers subject...

I am confused, because the hon. Gentleman has distanced himself from the points made by the Conservative spokesperson in the Lords. If he is distancing himself from what was said in the House of Lords, that is fine, but earlier he said that a very large number would have impaired...

I am confused, because the hon. Gentleman has distanced himself from the points made by the Conservative spokesperson in the Lords. If he is distancing himself from what was said in the House of Lords, that is fine, but earlier he said that a very large number would have impaired...

Will the Minister give way?

Will the Minister give way?

I will, of course, withdraw ““misrepresent””, but there is still some confusion about what I have said, which I would like the Minister to explain.

I will, of course, withdraw ““misrepresent””, but there is still some confusion about what I have said, which I would like the Minister to explain.

Yes. We are talking about compulsory treatment. That is exactly the point that the hon. Member for East Worthing and Shoreham was making. He believes that if an impaired decision-making test were introduced, some people would not get treatment. In that case, I ask Conservative Members how many people is...

Yes. We are talking about compulsory treatment. That is exactly the point that the hon. Member for East Worthing and Shoreham was making. He believes that if an impaired decision-making test were introduced, some people would not get treatment. In that case, I ask Conservative Members how many people is...

That is scaremongering and disingenuous argument of the worst kind. Which bit of the statement ““There is no evidence to suggest that the number subject to compulsion would be higher or lower under an impaired decision-making test”” does the Minister not understand? On which bit of that statement is she...

That is scaremongering and disingenuous argument of the worst kind. Which bit of the statement ““There is no evidence to suggest that the number subject to compulsion would be higher or lower under an impaired decision-making test”” does the Minister not understand? On which bit of that statement is she...

I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman needs to look at the record tomorrow, because he said that the percentage would therefore be lower. The percentage who would qualify under the impaired decision-making test for not being detained is shown in the figures that I have given. He must accept...

I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman needs to look at the record tomorrow, because he said that the percentage would therefore be lower. The percentage who would qualify under the impaired decision-making test for not being detained is shown in the figures that I have given. He must accept...

It is about not imposing treatment.

It is about not imposing treatment.

I want to address some of the submissions about who would or would not get treatment. As I have said, it is important to admit that there are people who would not get treatment. I have received a letter, which I know the hon. Gentleman will reject, signed by a...

I want to address some of the submissions about who would or would not get treatment. As I have said, it is important to admit that there are people who would not get treatment. I have received a letter, which I know the hon. Gentleman will reject, signed by a...

The Minister has spoken eloquently about the period of time that a person might spend in a prison cell. I have heard anecdotal evidence that there is an additional concern about the same individuals repeatedly being taken to a place of safety, usually a police cell, having been pulled off...

The Minister has spoken eloquently about the period of time that a person might spend in a prison cell. I have heard anecdotal evidence that there is an additional concern about the same individuals repeatedly being taken to a place of safety, usually a police cell, having been pulled off...

We have held discussions with representatives of the Police Federation and, if my memory serves me correctly, they produced some figures from a particular area. We said to them that it would be helpful to look at best practice and to determine where the relationship between the health services and...

We have held discussions with representatives of the Police Federation and, if my memory serves me correctly, they produced some figures from a particular area. We said to them that it would be helpful to look at best practice and to determine where the relationship between the health services and...

I am grateful for the Minister’s response. I am particularly grateful for her invitation to my hon. Friend the Member for Broxbourne to visit her for coffee and biscuits and a full and frank discussion of the code of conduct, an invitation that my hon. Friend will no doubt accept....

I am grateful for the Minister’s response. I am particularly grateful for her invitation to my hon. Friend the Member for Broxbourne to visit her for coffee and biscuits and a full and frank discussion of the code of conduct, an invitation that my hon. Friend will no doubt accept....

I beg to move amendment No. 91, page 2, line 24, leave out from ‘Act)’ to end of line 26 and insert ‘after subsection (2B) insert—

I beg to move amendment No. 91, page 2, line 24, leave out from ‘Act)’ to end of line 26 and insert ‘after subsection (2B) insert—