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My Lords, I support Amendment 9. As I indicated at Second Reading, I support the Bill. There is a great deal to be said for the proposition that there should be reciprocity between countries that respect the rule of law on the administration of criminal justice. However, I strongly support...

Member
Lord Judge (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 cc378-9GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I cannot match the noble and learned Lord’s eloquence, except I remember that Lord Bingham used to use that phrase to describe how judges should nudge the law forward gently, step by step, rather than sit hitting sixes and fours.

I support this amendment for the reasons that have...

Member
Lord Hope of Craighead (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 cc379-380GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I add my general support to the proposition and arguments that have been made. When I had the good fortune to chair the ad hoc committee looking at the workings of this legislation three or four years ago, this was one issue that the committee spent a long...

Member
Lord Inglewood (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c380GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Amendment 6 is a very good probing amendment from the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee. As I raised on the previous group, the words of the Bill need clarifying. This amendment gives the Minister the opportunity to do that and to explain why the word “vary” is in new...

Member
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 cc380-1GC
House
House of Lords

I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. The amendments before us relate to the delegated power to specify any additional territories to which this new power may be extended. As I have said, in the first instance, the powers afforded by the legislation would be...

Member
Baroness Williams of Trafford (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 cc381-4GC
House
House of Lords

Will my noble friend give way?

Member
Lord Deben (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c384GC
House
House of Lords

Not at the moment. If my noble friend could wait until I have finished my comments, I will be happy to take his intervention. It is just that I have a number of points to make; I hope that is okay. The Prime Minister has committed to looking into the...

Member
Baroness Williams of Trafford (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 cc384-5GC
House
House of Lords

I thank my noble friend the Minister. I realise what she is saying and acknowledge the care with which she is saying it; I thank her very much for that. I tried to intervene earlier specifically on the issue that President Trump had said what he said. The Minister said...

Member
Lord Deben (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c385GC
House
House of Lords

On the point about taking the countries one by one, and the group that a country is in, as I said, in any secondary legislation that comes before your Lordships’ House there has to be a statement about the rationale for that secondary legislation, which Parliament can reject if it...

Member
Baroness Williams of Trafford (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c385GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will say a word on Amendment 9. I obviously agree with what has been said by a number of noble Lords about it. The views of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, suggest that a Minister putting forward a list would have to be mightily careful...

Member
Lord Mackay of Clashfern (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c386GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this is an interesting group. With regard to the United States and one of the Five Eyes seeing things a bit differently, if this matter comes back on Report, as it may, it would be helpful if the Minister could explain to the House how the human rights...

Member
Baroness Hamwee (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 cc386-7GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 13, while Amendment 14 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Inglewood, is also in this group. Amendment 12 would remove the provision allowing

“regulations to amend, repeal or revoke any provision made by primary legislation.”

This is something to which I have...

Member
Baroness Hamwee (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c387GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 14 in this group. I owe the Committee an apology for not adding an explanatory statement, but essentially this is a probing amendment. The reason is that when I tabled it, I was not entirely sure exactly what my anxieties about the proposed...

Member
Lord Inglewood (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 cc387-9GC
House
House of Lords

I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord again. This is his first outing and we are throwing bouncers at him. If that is the problem, we need to amend the legislation to make it clear that “brought before” does not mean that there is a personal, direct, physical confrontation....

Member
Lord Judge (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c368GC
House
House of Lords

I thank noble Lords for their forbearance on this, my first outing. It is our intention to replicate the existing provisions under the Extradition Act. It may be helpful for me to speak to the noble and learned Lord and others in greater detail about the statutory intention of what...

Member
Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 cc368-9GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I did not expect it to go in this direction, but I thank the noble Lord for his explanation. I am left a bit thrown and not entirely satisfied. I decided that I would not bring my iPad into Committee to scroll up and down through the 2003...

Member
Baroness Hamwee (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c369GC
House
House of Lords

I shall wait until the noble Baroness has finished.

Member
Lord Mackay of Clashfern (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c369GC
House
House of Lords

I think I pretty much have finished.

Member
Baroness Hamwee (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c369GC
House
House of Lords

I think the position is that, as times have changed and we are more modern than we once were, a judge is now available at all times to deal with this matter. Therefore, it is not necessary to leave out weekends or bank holidays because the reason that was put...

Member
Lord Mackay of Clashfern (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c369GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we have just heard from two very experienced former members of the judiciary. The noble Lord, Lord Parkinson, would be very wise to agree to take this matter away and try to sort it out.

Member
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 March 2020
Reference
802 c369GC
House
House of Lords