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My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. Given the Government’s immediate and very welcome response that they might introduce further legislation, as well as reviewing child protection mechanisms following the recent tragedy, will she commit them to treat elder abuse with the same level of urgency and introduce quickly a legislative framework to strengthen the measures to safeguard the 4 per cent or so of vulnerable old people who experience abuse, mainly in their own homes, which is equally unacceptable?
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. Given the Government’s immediate and very welcome response that they might introduce further legislation, as well as reviewing child protection mechanisms following the recent tragedy, will she commit them to treat elder abuse with the same level of urgency and introduce quickly a legislative framework to strengthen the measures to safeguard the 4 per cent or so of vulnerable old people who experience abuse, mainly in their own homes, which is equally unacceptable?
Asked by
Baroness Greengross
(Crossbench)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
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Answered
Answered on
9 December 2008
My Lords, the noble Baroness is indeed correct; any case of abuse is serious and unacceptable. However, there is no doubt that there are some profound and quite complex differences between the issues surrounding adult protection and children. For example, it is neither possible nor appropriate to scoop up an adult and place them in a care system as one would wish a child in jeopardy to be. The debate about how to deal with this issue is wider than just legislation, but we are very committed to getting this right. People have been telling us that No Secrets has done a good job in raising the profile of adult protection, and we know that there are many examples of good practice. We have learnt a lot in the eight years since the publication of No Secrets, and we feel that it is time to build on that learning and use it to strengthen our systems. We are not ruling out new legislation.
Subjects
Abuse; Protection; Older people
Date
9 December 2008
Reference
706 c259-60
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether they will introduce legislation to alter the guidance on safeguarding vulnerable older people from abuse.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether they will introduce legislation to alter the guidance on safeguarding vulnerable older people from abuse.
Asked by
Baroness Greengross
(Crossbench)
Answered by
Baroness Thornton
(Labour)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
For answer on
9 December 2008
Answered on
9 December 2008
My Lords, we already have legislation that covers protecting older people from abuse, including the Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006. However, a revision of the key guidance No Secrets is currently under way. The consultation asked a number of questions about whether new legislation to help protect vulnerable adults is needed. This consultation will close on 31 January. The impact of enabling and strengthening local safeguarding boards and the role of safeguarding leads are also being considered.
Subjects
Abuse; Protection; Older people
Date
9 December 2008
Reference
706 c259
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I thank the Minister and congratulate him on the Government’s part-sponsorship of this vital research. In demonstrating the prevalence of abuse and neglect of vulnerable elderly people, this is a great service to the majority of old people. Does the noble Lord agree that, following a clear indication that at least 4 per cent of people are abused or neglected in their own homes—not in institutions, care homes or hospitals, and not people suffering from any form of dementia—the actual prevalence is probably quite a bit higher, at least 6 per cent? The law must be reviewed urgently so that vulnerable adults have the same level of protection as abused children, such as the right of immediate access on suspicion of abuse. Older people must know about and have access to adult protection services, which is not happening at the moment. We still need to train staff much more in dealing with vulnerable older people. I look forward to meeting the Minister’s colleague in the other place to discuss that issue next week.
My Lords, I thank the Minister and congratulate him on the Government’s part-sponsorship of this vital research. In demonstrating the prevalence of abuse and neglect of vulnerable elderly people, this is a great service to the majority of old people. Does the noble Lord agree that, following a clear indication that at least 4 per cent of people are abused or neglected in their own homes—not in institutions, care homes or hospitals, and not people suffering from any form of dementia—the actual prevalence is probably quite a bit higher, at least 6 per cent? The law must be reviewed urgently so that vulnerable adults have the same level of protection as abused children, such as the right of immediate access on suspicion of abuse. Older people must know about and have access to adult protection services, which is not happening at the moment. We still need to train staff much more in dealing with vulnerable older people. I look forward to meeting the Minister’s colleague in the other place to discuss that issue next week.
Asked by
Baroness Greengross
(Crossbench)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
19 June 2007
My Lords, I assure the noble Baroness that the legislation will be studied as part of the work that we take forward. I agree with her about making older people aware of the adult protection arrangements in each local authority area. As we take the work forward, we will encourage local authorities to do more to make sure that their services are accessible to older people.
Subjects
Abuse; Protection; Older people
Date
19 June 2007
Reference
693 c94
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
What action they propose to take following the publication of the report UK Study of Abuse and Neglect of Older People 2007.
What action they propose to take following the publication of the report UK Study of Abuse and Neglect of Older People 2007.
Asked by
Baroness Greengross
(Crossbench)
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
Procedure
Topical questions (HL)
For answer on
19 June 2007
Answered on
19 June 2007
My Lords, the report was commissioned and co-funded by Comic Relief and the Department of Health. We will introduce a new monitoring system to report the extent of abuse. We will also review the No Secrets guidance on developing and implementing multi-agency policies and procedures to protect vulnerable adults from abuse.
Subjects
Abuse; Older people
Date
19 June 2007
Reference
693 c94
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, the dreadful instances of the physical and sexual abuse of vulnerable old people both in institutions and in the community are to be regretted. Does the noble Baroness agree that legislation alone will not stop it unless we train the staff who look after vulnerable adults far more comprehensively, with agreed qualifications being essential? Are the Government prepared to do something about this as soon as possible?
My Lords, the dreadful instances of the physical and sexual abuse of vulnerable old people both in institutions and in the community are to be regretted. Does the noble Baroness agree that legislation alone will not stop it unless we train the staff who look after vulnerable adults far more comprehensively, with agreed qualifications being essential? Are the Government prepared to do something about this as soon as possible?
Asked by
Baroness Greengross
(Crossbench)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
21 March 2007
My Lords, we absolutely deplore any physical or social abuse of vulnerable adults, and training is crucial to good care, as is leadership. The regulations are clear and there are national minimum standards to back them up. The Commission for Social Care Inspection considers training in its inspections and can close down a home if the training is not felt to be adequate. Training is the responsibility of care home owners and employers. However, as the noble Baroness says, legislation is not enough. We have to ensure that it is fully implemented and that employers are properly fulfilling their obligations. Again, training is crucial.
Subjects
Abuse; Protection; Older people; Vulnerable adults
Date
21 March 2007
Reference
690 c1227
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, does not the Minister agree that any abuse of people in care homes is quite unacceptable and very often horrific? Some of this occurs because the staff who do the direct caring are poorly, if at all, qualified to do the job that they need to do. Will the noble Lord assure me that the Government will take very seriously the efforts that are being made to produce qualifications and training for those low-level care staff so that they are recognised, and that the Government will take this up as a priority?
My Lords, does not the Minister agree that any abuse of people in care homes is quite unacceptable and very often horrific? Some of this occurs because the staff who do the direct caring are poorly, if at all, qualified to do the job that they need to do. Will the noble Lord assure me that the Government will take very seriously the efforts that are being made to produce qualifications and training for those low-level care staff so that they are recognised, and that the Government will take this up as a priority?
Asked by
Baroness Greengross
(Crossbench)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
22 February 2007
My Lords, the simple answer to that is yes. Any act of abuse must be deplored, and we do so. I thoroughly agree with the noble Baroness about that. Thousands of people work in care homes. The great majority of them do a very good job indeed and we should acknowledge that. However, they need support, training and leadership. Clearly much more needs to be done, and the Government will address this in partnership with the regulatory bodies concerned.
Subjects
Care homes; Abuse; NHS; Patients
Date
22 February 2007
Reference
689 c1171
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that helpful reply. Does he accept that more than £2 million was reported, through one helpline alone, as having been stolen from elderly victims by their own sons and daughters? This is more important than the situation with carers because they are less likely to do this, apparently. We know that older people are very reluctant to report their own children, so the true picture must be dramatically in excess of that. Therefore, will the Government accept the recommendations of the Health Select Committee inquiry in 2004 that, first, the financial abuse should be a specific issue for adult protection committees; and, secondly, that the regulatory bodies of health and social care should increase their surveillance of financial systems, including powers of attorney and, in care homes, the use of residents’ personal allowances?
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that helpful reply. Does he accept that more than £2 million was reported, through one helpline alone, as having been stolen from elderly victims by their own sons and daughters? This is more important than the situation with carers because they are less likely to do this, apparently. We know that older people are very reluctant to report their own children, so the true picture must be dramatically in excess of that. Therefore, will the Government accept the recommendations of the Health Select Committee inquiry in 2004 that, first, the financial abuse should be a specific issue for adult protection committees; and, secondly, that the regulatory bodies of health and social care should increase their surveillance of financial systems, including powers of attorney and, in care homes, the use of residents’ personal allowances?
Asked by
Baroness Greengross
(Crossbench)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
1 February 2007
My Lords, the noble Baroness is right that the data produced by Action on Elder Abuse come from an analysis of 470 phone calls that it received on its helpline, and that the breakdown of abuse was 53 per cent sons and daughters and 9 per cent carers and other paid workers. While that cannot be taken as statistically accurate in terms of the wider question, it is certainly cause for concern.
With regard to the Health Select Committee report and adult protection committees being asked to look at the issue of financial abuse, we do not believe there is anything in the current guidance that will prevent them doing so, but we will look at that. The regulatory bodies are independent, but I will ensure that the report is communicated to them so they can consider the point the noble Baroness has raised.
Subjects
Abuse; Carers; Families; Protection; Older people; Money; Theft
Date
1 February 2007
Reference
689 c336
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
What steps they will take following the report by Action on Elder Abuse on money taken from older people by their families and carers.
What steps they will take following the report by Action on Elder Abuse on money taken from older people by their families and carers.
Asked by
Baroness Greengross
(Crossbench)
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
Procedure
Topical questions (HL)
For answer on
1 February 2007
Answered on
1 February 2007
My Lords, it is a very interesting report and confirms that there are serious problems to deal with. The Government are giving every consideration to measures which will effectively tackle the growing concern in our society on this matter. Older people and adults with disabilities have the right to expect that everything is done to minimise the risk of abuse.
Subjects
Abuse; Carers; Families; Protection; Older people; Money; Theft
Date
1 February 2007
Reference
689 c336
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
How they are ensuring that vulnerable adults in care homes and using domiciliary care receive the highest standards of care and are protected from abuse.
How they are ensuring that vulnerable adults in care homes and using domiciliary care receive the highest standards of care and are protected from abuse.
Asked by
Baroness Greengross
(Crossbench)
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
For answer on
10 February 2003
Answered on
10 February 2003
Subjects
Criminal records; Care homes; Abuse; Administrative delays; Employment agencies; Home care services; Protection; Mental capacity; Standards; Temporary employment; Vetting; Training; Criminal Records Bureau
Date
10 February 2003
Reference
644 c457
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
1st supplementary on the quality of ageing staff and vetting delays at the Criminal Records Bureau.
1st supplementary on the quality of ageing staff and vetting delays at the Criminal Records Bureau.
Asked by
Baroness Greengross
(Crossbench)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
10 February 2003
Subjects
Criminal records; Care homes; Abuse; Administrative delays; Employment agencies; Home care services; Protection; Mental capacity; Standards; Temporary employment; Vetting; Training; Criminal Records Bureau
Date
10 February 2003
Reference
644 c457
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords