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Moved by

Lord Purvis of Tweed

112: After Clause 89, insert the following new Clause—

“Report on actions taken in response to the ISC report on Russia

Within six months of the passing of this Act, the Secretary of State must lay before Parliament a report on the effect of the action taken by...

Member
Lord Purvis of Tweed (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1892
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I move Amendment 112 and will also speak to Amendment 118. I will introduce the amendments, but my noble friend Lord Wallace of Saltaire will also speak on this group. Amendment 118 is a probing amendment designed to be helpful for the Government and to allow the Minister...

Member
Lord Purvis of Tweed (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 cc1892-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, my name is on Amendment 113, and I commend the intentions of the amendments put down by colleagues on the Labour Benches.

What we are talking about here is how we alert the public to the nature of the threat. The Security Minister in the Commons indeed said that...

Member
Lord Wallace of Saltaire (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 cc1894-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak primarily to my Amendment 120A but I thank the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, for his Amendment 112, signed by the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, which raises some extremely important points around the Russia report published by the ISC in 2020 and the frustration that many...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 cc1895-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank noble Lords very much for contributing to this relatively short debate. Let me first address Amendments 112, 117 and 120A.

Amendments 112 and 117 seek to impose on the Secretary of State a duty to implement the recommendations of the ISC’s report on Russia and to produce...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1899
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I apologise for interrupting. I am sure the Minister recognises the damage which was done to the relationship between the ISC and Parliament, and to maintaining public

trust, by the various manoeuvres while Boris Johnson was Prime Minister. There was the delay in the publication of the Russia...

Member
Lord Wallace of Saltaire (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1899
House
House of Lords

My Lords, with the greatest respect, this is a different Government and we have moved on. The ISC very much has the respect of certainly this part of the Government. If I may say so, I have answered the principal question that was being asked: the Prime Minister will indeed...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1900
House
House of Lords

I understand that the Minister is saying that the Prime Minister will review it, but does he agree with me that it would help if the Prime Minister actually met the ISC? The Intelligence and Security Committee annual report states:

“Since its establishment in 1994, and for 20 years thereafter, the...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1900
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord makes a very fair point. I will certainly make sure that that message is conveyed. As I have said, the Government do not think it would be appropriate at this point to mandate the Prime Minister to update the MoU as proposed, therefore we cannot support this...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 cc1900-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I apologise if I have gone—as the Minister is advising me—a little far. The point I am making is that the lack of distinction in “any foreign power” is one of the fundamental faults in this Bill. The ISC Russia report on several occasions refers to the threats...

Member
Lord Wallace of Saltaire (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1901
House
House of Lords

This Bill does exactly that. We have been talking about FIRS over the last couple of days—the foreign influence registration scheme. There are different tiers specified in that. There is no doubt that this Bill acknowledges where our principal threats come from. Other countries, unfortunately, are also sometimes used as...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 cc1901-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s thorough reply, notwithstanding some of his responses, which he prefaced by saying that he knew they would disappoint the noble Lord, Lord Coaker.

Member
Lord Purvis of Tweed (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1902
House
House of Lords

There’s nothing new there. I am joking.

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1902
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord is a very cheerful person for someone who is disappointed. One of the telling facts he highlighted was the difficulty of the committee having an annual meeting since 2014—that speaks for itself. I am grateful to the Minister for saying that he is going to take that...

Member
Lord Purvis of Tweed (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1903
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Purvis of Tweed

114: After Clause 89, insert the following Clause—

“Ministerial appointments: official advice

(1) The Cabinet Secretary must publish a memorandum in respect of any ministerial appointments made by the Prime Minister, where advice or concerns were communicated to the Prime Minister by civil servants that the appointment may...

Member
Lord Purvis of Tweed (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 cc1903-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this is an amendment which I really did not think it should be necessary to debate, on ministerial appointments by a Prime Minister, where that appointment may raise issues to do with the safety, security and interests of the United Kingdom. The amendment seeks clarification from the Government...

Member
Lord Purvis of Tweed (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 cc1904-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for speaking to Amendment 114, which seeks to require the Cabinet Secretary to publish information concerning ministerial appointments in scenarios where officials have indicated that the appointment of a particular individual

“may be counter to the safety or interests of the United Kingdom including...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1905
House
House of Lords

I am grateful to the Minister, and I am not entirely surprised by his response. I think the Government’s concerns regarding confidentiality and protecting Civil Service advice were addressed in the amendment. In fact, it explicitly states that information would not be provided within the memorandum, but that security considerations...

Member
Lord Purvis of Tweed (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1905
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Coaker

119: After Clause 89, insert the following new Clause—

“Assessment of interaction with the Official Secrets Act 1989

The Secretary of State must publish an assessment of how this Act relates to the Official Secrets Act 1989.”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment intends to probe to what extent the Bill furthers the...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 c1905
House
House of Lords

I will not keep noble Lords too long on this amendment. There are a couple of points I wish to make and a couple of questions to ask. I say

at the outset that Amendment 119 is a probing amendment, obviously, but it allows us to discuss reform, or not,...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 January 2023
Reference
826 cc1905-7
House
House of Lords