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Baroness Barran

Member
Baroness Barran (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 c1097
House
House of Lords

My Lords, with the leave of the House, I beg to move that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments 1 and 2 en bloc. I will speak also to Amendments 3 to 6, 15 and 16 and associated Motions.

I am delighted to be back in the...

Member
Baroness Barran (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1097-1100
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her introductory remarks. I begin by speaking to Amendments 3A and 4A in my name. We fully support the principle of employers playing a central role in driving the development of identified local skills needs. We also recognise the more specialised role of...

Member
Lord Watson of Invergowrie (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1098-1103
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have a historic declaration of interest; I refer to it today to ensure entire transparency.

I will speak to Amendment 15A and respond to the Minister. I have no doubt whatever of this Bill’s significance and the importance of getting it right. I also have no doubt about...

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Lord Blunkett (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1102-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I strongly support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Blunkett. It is right, and I echo completely his comments about T-levels. I am just as committed to T-levels as he is. They are an important and interesting innovation, and to show it, of the UTCs for...

Member
Lord Baker of Dorking (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1104-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare an interest because, as the noble Lord, Lord Blunkett, pointed out, I am currently working as a skills adviser at No. 10. I was therefore quite involved in the skills White Paper, which led to much of the legislation today.

I very much appreciate the interest the...

Member
Baroness Wolf of Dulwich (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 c1109
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Wolf, who has fought so hard for the skills agenda. I associate myself with much of that fight and I very much

welcome a great deal of what is in the Bill. However, I will say a few...

Member
Baroness Blackstone (Labour Independent)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1109-1111
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I very much agree with the important points noble Lords, especially the noble Lord, Lord Blunkett, and my noble friend Lord Baker, have made. I particularly agreed with my noble friend’s point about this concept of overlapping with T-levels. BTECs and T-levels are rather different. I do not...

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Lord Willetts (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1111-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Willetts, has just said about the timescales. I had the privilege of chairing your Lordships’ Select Committee on Youth Unemployment, which reported in November. I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Wolf, for giving us her time and the...

Member
Lord Shipley (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 c1112
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I draw attention to my interests in the register as chair of Access Creative College, an independent training provider of further education for the creative industries. Access welcomes many of the measures in the Bill, as

do I. However, I have real concerns that we are inadvertently blighting...

Member
Lord Johnson of Marylebone (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1112-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as the Minister who gave the authorisation to Crossrail, I can say that it was never the intention that the Central line would close; there would be pandemonium in London if it did. The whole purpose of Crossrail was to supplement and improve the Central line, not to...

Member
Lord Adonis (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1113-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, coming from up north I do not really understand about the Central line and Crossrail. What I do remember was the Liverpool overhead railway, commonly known as the dockers’ umbrella. It was scrapped before the new transport system had proved its worth and chaos resulted.

I preface my remarks...

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Lord Storey (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1115-6
House
House of Lords

I thank all noble Lords for the contributions they have made to this important debate and particularly the noble Lord, Lord Storey, for acknowledging the importance of the Government’s work in this area. I also thank my noble friend Lady Wolf for her descriptions of how local skills improvement plans...

Member
Baroness Barran (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1116-7
House
House of Lords

On that last point, once we get through this, as the Minister says, we can make judgments, but as things stand we are talking about 2024. As the noble Lord, Lord Baker, and others have said, by 2024 we will not have a clear view of how well T-levels have...

Member
Lord Watson of Invergowrie (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 c1117
House
House of Lords

If I may, I will respond to that very valid point about the scale-up of T-levels when I come to it in just a second.

I am tempted to expand on the Crossrail/Central line analogy, but I think time does not permit.

On timing, and my noble friend Lord Willett’s question about...

Member
Baroness Barran (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 c1117
House
House of Lords

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, but I wonder whether she can give some indication of the proportion of BTEC qualifications that the Government are intent on keeping and the proportion that are likely to be dropped because of the so-called overlap. How many of the 250,000 students currently...

Member
Baroness Blackstone (Labour Independent)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 c1117
House
House of Lords

I am afraid that I am not in a position to be able to confirm that today, but I can confirm that “scorched earth”, “niche” and “most” are not a reflection of where we are on this policy.

On the definition of “overlap”, in our policy statement in July last year...

Member
Baroness Barran (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 cc1117-9
House
House of Lords

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Baroness Barran

Member
Baroness Barran (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 c1119
House
House of Lords

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Lord Watson of Invergowrie

Member
Lord Watson of Invergowrie (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 c1119
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I beg leave to test the opinion of the House.

Member
Lord Watson of Invergowrie (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 March 2022
Reference
820 c1119
House
House of Lords