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I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 1.

Member
Leo Docherty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1014
House
House of Commons

Before moving to the main meat of my speech, I wish to formally put on record my thanks to my hon. Friend the Member for Plymouth, Moor View (Johnny Mercer) for his fantastic work on veterans’ issues for many years and his work in getting the Bill to this point....

Member
Leo Docherty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1014
House
House of Commons

I thank the brand-new Minister for allowing me to intervene. That is very good news indeed, and I look forward to it. If that does not happen, we have second-class veteran soldiers, because those who have served abroad are first-class in the way they are treated, and those of us...

Member
Bob Stewart (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1014
House
House of Commons

I thank my right hon. and gallant Friend for that intervention. I acknowledge his significant service on operations in Northern Ireland, and I know that he will share my keen expectation that we will, through legislation, in due course, deliver the protection that our Op Banner veterans so richly deserve.

Member
Leo Docherty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1014
House
House of Commons

I congratulate the Minister on coming into his post and very much look forward to working with him, as I did with his predecessor. I wish him well. Obviously, we owe a great debt to those

who have served in Northern Ireland, including the right hon. and gallant Member for...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1014
House
House of Commons

I thank the hon. Member for that intervention and I agree entirely with him. Those who have served are the finest among us, and this Government are resolutely committed to delivering through legislation the protections that our veterans of the troubles of Northern Ireland deserve.

I turn to the Government amendments...

Member
Leo Docherty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1015
House
House of Commons

I congratulate the Minister on his appointment. I very much welcome the concession he has just announced, but why are the Government retaining the presumption against prosecution in the case of war crimes, because that leaves open the risk of UK troops in future being summoned to the International Criminal...

Member
Stephen Timms (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1015
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for that intervention. I think he will derive reassurance from the remarks that I am shortly about to make, so I ask him to bear with me.

These concerns are that, by not excluding other serious offences, the Bill risks damaging not only...

Member
Leo Docherty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 cc1015-6
House
House of Commons

May I also welcome my hon. Friend to the Front Bench? It is an overdue promotion.

May I bring him back to this question of war crimes? He will talk about the Henry VIII clause in a minute, but I want to bring him back to this question. Many of us...

Member
David Davis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1016
House
House of Commons

I start by congratulating the Minister for Defence People and Veterans, the hon. Member for Aldershot (Leo Docherty), on his promotion. I welcome him to his new role.

Article 8.2 of the Rome statute of the International Criminal Court defines the term “war crimes” in two ways: as “grave breaches” of...

Member
Olivia Blake (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 cc1047-8
House
House of Commons

Diolch yn fawr, Mr Deputy Speaker. The Bill as it stands is frankly damaging to our armed forces, as it removes the protection of the law from many who have suffered injustice while serving our country, and it means war crimes may go unchallenged and that they might be dragged...

Member
Geraint Davies (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 cc1048-9
House
House of Commons

I followed the process of this Bill through the House and, at every point, I voted against it and stood in opposition to it. The Bill has deeply worrying implications for Britain’s standing worldwide and risks further eroding the rights of those living in countries where Britain has a military...

Member
Beth Winter (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 cc1049-1051
House
House of Commons

Yesterday, the Government at last agreed to table an amendment to exclude torture, genocide and crimes against humanity from the scope of the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill before us today. While I am thankful for this, the fact that such provisions were considered in the first place...

Member
Kim Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 cc1050-2
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to be called in this debate.

First, I want to take the opportunity to acknowledge the birthday of the head of our armed forces, Her Majesty the Queen. When I put on the Ulster Defence Regiment uniform in Operation Banner, it was done to serve Queen and...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 cc1052-4
House
House of Commons

The Bill aims to address issues that rightly need to be addressed on potential vexatious investigations and litigations, but was the Bill needed? No, it was not needed. All those issues could have been addressed in the Armed Forces Bill, which is currently going through the House. The Bill was...

Member
Lord Beamish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 cc1054-7
House
House of Commons

Thank you very much, Mr Deputy Speaker. I thank colleagues from across the House this afternoon for their considered contributions. I have listened with humility and interest, and I deeply appreciate the constructive tone from the shadow Secretary of State, the right hon. Member for Wentworth and Dearne (John Healey),...

Member
Leo Docherty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 cc1057-8
House
House of Commons

For people watching who will not remember Marine A, he is a marine who effectively executed a wounded prisoner and went to prison for it.

Member
David Davis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1032
House
House of Commons

Murdered.

Member
Bob Stewart (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1032
House
House of Commons

Yes, murdered is the right word.

What would that lead to? It would lead to members of the British military being arraigned before a court that is traditionally used for arraigning tyrants and people we would view as monsters. What would that say about our nation’s moral compass? I shudder to...

Member
David Davis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 c1032
House
House of Commons

I congratulate the Minister for Defence People and Veterans. Many Members across the House are not only pleased by his elevation to the Front Bench, but relieved to see him there. I wish him all the best in his new role.

A major frustration for those of us involved in earlier...

Member
Carol Monaghan (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 April 2021
Reference
692 cc1032-4
House
House of Commons