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My Lords, I apologise for not replying. They are assurances. They do not have the force of law in that they do not set down enforceable arrangements, but we have had similar arrangements over a long period. They are practical arrangements as to how we will work with our partners—ways...

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Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c658-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I beg to move Motion A, That the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 36, in respect of which the Commons have insisted on their disagreement, and do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 36C and 36D in lieu. We return once again to...

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Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c650-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as happened last week, the Minister has opened, quite properly, by dealing with both Motion A and Motion B and, as the mover of Motion B1, I will therefore take the same course. I should add something that I failed to add last week; the noble Baroness is...

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Lord Goodhart (Liberal Democrat)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c652-3
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House of Lords

My Lords, I beg to move that the Commons message be considered forthwith. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to. [The page and line references are to HL Bill 104 as first printed for the Lords.] 36: After Clause 46, insert the following new Clause- ““Designation of Part 2...

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Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c649
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I, too, express my surprise that the official Opposition have withdrawn their opposition on the ground that we are the unelected House. I have heard them argue differently in the past and I am surprised that they have now accepted the government view in totality—that if the Commons...

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Lord Stoddart of Swindon (Independent Labour)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c654-5
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House of Lords

My Lords, I have a question for the Minister based on personal experience. I am prompted to ask it by her mentioning the closing of loopholes. In March 1980, I was commanding the brigade in Belfast. We surrounded a house in which there was an IRA gun team who had...

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Lord Ramsbotham (Crossbench)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c655
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have nothing to add to or subtract from what the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, said. His analysis exactly reflects the conclusions that we on these Benches have reached. I have only a brief observation to make about the manner in which we find ourselves in this situation....

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Lord Kingsland (Conservative)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c653-4
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House of Lords

My Lords, I am deeply sad that the lawyers and the Government cannot tell the difference between information and evidence. I am deeply sad that we have abrogated the rights of British subjects, and I am even sadder that my own side has taken the view that it has. This...

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Earl of Onslow (Conservative)
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Proceeding contributions
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7 November 2006
Reference
686 c654
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House of Lords

My Lords, it has been made plain that all the provisions that currently apply as a result of the Good Friday agreement would apply to any person who wishes to take advantage of them. We are not making any new, different or separate arrangement outwith that which we already have...

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Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c656
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this House has debated every scintilla of the issues in relation to the Good Friday agreement, its consequences and the basis on which people can seek amnesty or an opportunity to return to this country. I shall not say that we did so ad nauseam because those issues...

Member
Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c657
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as I understand it, the noble Baroness is saying that on-the-runs in the United States are safe from any attempt to extradite them to this country.

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Lord Tebbit (Conservative)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c657
House
House of Lords

My Lords, would new Section 83A of the Extradition Act, were it to come into force on the passing of the Bill with which we are now concerned, require an amendment of the treaty or not? The noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, seems to have changed his mind on this. I...

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Lord Lloyd of Berwick (Crossbench)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c655
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall deal first with the point raised by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick. I wholeheartedly agree with him about the accuracy of the points made by my noble and learned friend Lord Boyd on the last occasion when we discussed this matter; they...

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Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c656
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have seen it reported that one of the inducements given to the American Senate to ratify the treaty was a statement that the United Kingdom would not seek the extradition of any IRA people for acts committed before Good Friday. Can she confirm whether that is true?

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Lord Goodhart (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c656
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am not saying that, and the noble Lord knows perfectly well, having been intimately involved in the whole periodof change in Northern Ireland, the nature and complexity of the rules that can apply in relation to those matters.

Member
Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c657
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am most grateful for that, but the noble Baroness has not made the matter terribly clear. Are the on-the-runs in America safe from extradition or not?

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Lord Tebbit (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c657
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it really depends on when they went, what they did and whether the provisions under the Good Friday agreement apply to them. The Senate’s advice and consent to the treaty was subject to a resolution regarding the situation in Northern Ireland. The UK Government have already stated—in September...

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Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c657-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, when we debated the matter a week ago, the noble Baroness made a most interesting speech, which I have had the benefit of reading several times. At the end of her speech, there was a passage that indicated that, since the ratification of the treaty, she had had...

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Lord Bridges (Crossbench)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c658
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I beg to move Motion B, That the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 81 to 84, in respect of which the Commons have insisted on their disagreement, and do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 84C and 84D in lieu. Moved, That the...

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Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c661
House
House of Lords

moved, as an amendment to Motion B, at end to insert, ““but do propose AmendmentNo. 84E as an amendment to Amendment No. 84C: "84E: Leave out lines 47 to 57 and insert—""““3C Paragraphs 3A and 3B shall come into force on the day on which this Act is passed.””" The...

Member
Lord Goodhart (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c661-2
House
House of Lords