My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for providing the Government with an opportunity to explain where we have got to on this issue. As the noble Baroness readily acknowledged, we are at one in our intentions and have great sympathy with the proposition she puts before us....

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for providing the Government with an opportunity to explain where we have got to on this issue. As the noble Baroness readily acknowledged, we are at one in our intentions and have great sympathy with the proposition she puts before us....

moved Amendments Nos. 103 to 106: Page 114, line 7, leave out paragraph (a). Page 115, line 27, leave out paragraph (a). Page 116, line 23, leave out ““Community Safety and Custody”” and insert ““and Community Safety”” Page 116, line 30, leave out ““Community Safety and Custody”” and insert ““and...

moved Amendments Nos. 103 to 106: Page 114, line 7, leave out paragraph (a). Page 115, line 27, leave out paragraph (a). Page 116, line 23, leave out ““Community Safety and Custody”” and insert ““and Community Safety”” Page 116, line 30, leave out ““Community Safety and Custody”” and insert ““and...

moved Amendment No. 102: Page 31, line 3, leave out paragraph (a). On Question, amendment agreed to. Schedule 10 [Transfer of staff and property etc to the Chief Inspector]:

moved Amendment No. 102: Page 31, line 3, leave out paragraph (a). On Question, amendment agreed to. Schedule 10 [Transfer of staff and property etc to the Chief Inspector]:

moved Amendment No. 100: Page 112, leave out lines 43 and 44 and insert- ““(3) When carrying out an inspection to which sub-paragraph (3A) applies, the Chief Inspector shall act jointly with the Auditor General for Wales to the extent that the Auditor General- (a) has power to carry out...

moved Amendment No. 100: Page 112, leave out lines 43 and 44 and insert- ““(3) When carrying out an inspection to which sub-paragraph (3A) applies, the Chief Inspector shall act jointly with the Auditor General for Wales to the extent that the Auditor General- (a) has power to carry out...

moved Amendment No. 98: Page 112, leave out lines 36 and 37 and insert- ““(2) When carrying out an inspection to which sub-paragraph (2A) applies, the Chief Inspector shall act jointly with the Audit Commission to the extent that the Commission- (a) has power to carry out the inspection, and...

moved Amendment No. 98: Page 112, leave out lines 36 and 37 and insert- ““(2) When carrying out an inspection to which sub-paragraph (2A) applies, the Chief Inspector shall act jointly with the Audit Commission to the extent that the Commission- (a) has power to carry out the inspection, and...

My Lords, the amendment becomes hors de combat because of the earlier Division. [Amendment No. 97 not moved.]

My Lords, the amendment becomes hors de combat because of the earlier Division. [Amendment No. 97 not moved.]

My Lords, I hope that I made it clear in my earlier remarks that at the moment the Association of Police Authorities is consulted. We expect that to continue to be the case. The amendment was intended to ensure that those who will be directly involved and inspected are consulted....

My Lords, I hope that I made it clear in my earlier remarks that at the moment the Association of Police Authorities is consulted. We expect that to continue to be the case. The amendment was intended to ensure that those who will be directly involved and inspected are consulted....

My Lords, I have one concern. I wonder whether the wording covers the responsibilities of police authorities for oversight of force inspection programmes. It seems to limit consultation to those who are directly responsible for the functions, establishment and other matters which are dealt with by the inspectors. I know...

My Lords, I have one concern. I wonder whether the wording covers the responsibilities of police authorities for oversight of force inspection programmes. It seems to limit consultation to those who are directly responsible for the functions, establishment and other matters which are dealt with by the inspectors. I know...

moved Amendment No. 96: Page 111, line 5, at end insert- ““( ) Before preparing an inspection programme the Chief Inspector shall carry out such consultation as he considers appropriate with persons appearing to him to be responsible for the functions, establishments or other matters to be dealt with by...

moved Amendment No. 96: Page 111, line 5, at end insert- ““( ) Before preparing an inspection programme the Chief Inspector shall carry out such consultation as he considers appropriate with persons appearing to him to be responsible for the functions, establishments or other matters to be dealt with by...

My Lords, I apologise for intervening. I am concerned about how this wording will be interpreted. It is clear that anything—whether it be a fast motor car or what we are talking about in this debate—that can be used for a malign purpose is likely to be used by someone...

My Lords, I apologise for intervening. I am concerned about how this wording will be interpreted. It is clear that anything—whether it be a fast motor car or what we are talking about in this debate—that can be used for a malign purpose is likely to be used by someone...

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his considered response. I also appreciate the expertise of the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, but ask him to be a little cautious when using words such as ““script””, ““kiddies”” and ““code monkeys””. I read them out only because I had such...

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his considered response. I also appreciate the expertise of the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, but ask him to be a little cautious when using words such as ““script””, ““kiddies”” and ““code monkeys””. I read them out only because I had such...

moved Amendment No. 129: Page 34, line 13, leave out from ““3”” to end of line 14 and insert- ( ) A person is guilty of an offence if he supplies or offers to supply any article believing that it is likely to be used to commit, or to assist...

moved Amendment No. 129: Page 34, line 13, leave out from ““3”” to end of line 14 and insert- ( ) A person is guilty of an offence if he supplies or offers to supply any article believing that it is likely to be used to commit, or to assist...

My Lords, that was a welcome intervention. It is precisely why my noble friend Lord Northesk felt that the Government drafting could not be improved: he felt that it was so defective that one could not achieve the right result, so he wants to take out that section. I know...

My Lords, that was a welcome intervention. It is precisely why my noble friend Lord Northesk felt that the Government drafting could not be improved: he felt that it was so defective that one could not achieve the right result, so he wants to take out that section. I know...

My Lords, I am going to read what the Government say and I will try to say it as best I can. I am pleased with the half vote of support from the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, and I am most grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia, for his...

My Lords, I am going to read what the Government say and I will try to say it as best I can. I am pleased with the half vote of support from the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, and I am most grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia, for his...

My Lords, I shall speak to this group, and particularly to my Amendment No. 129A. First, I thank the Government for taking into account some of the comments I made about the difference between making and inventing the tools, and supply and distribution of the tools, which is what they...

My Lords, I shall speak to this group, and particularly to my Amendment No. 129A. First, I thank the Government for taking into account some of the comments I made about the difference between making and inventing the tools, and supply and distribution of the tools, which is what they...

Well, my Lords, that may well be the case, but I invite the noble Earl to consider that we are trying to write terminology into the Bill that has a proven track record of being tested in a court of law. That is very important. I do not know how...

Well, my Lords, that may well be the case, but I invite the noble Earl to consider that we are trying to write terminology into the Bill that has a proven track record of being tested in a court of law. That is very important. I do not know how...

My Lords, does the Minister accept that, actually, the sort of tools that are used to test systems and gain remote access are normally used by hackers to gain access to systems illegally? All of them are very likely to be used for that purpose. That is the trouble. If...

My Lords, does the Minister accept that, actually, the sort of tools that are used to test systems and gain remote access are normally used by hackers to gain access to systems illegally? All of them are very likely to be used for that purpose. That is the trouble. If...

moved Amendment No. 128: Page 34, line 13, leave out from ““3”” to end of line 14. The noble Baroness said: My Lords, I move Amendment No. 128 on behalf of my noble friend Lord Northesk. He has asked that I convey his apologies to the House. He simply cannot...

moved Amendment No. 128: Page 34, line 13, leave out from ““3”” to end of line 14. The noble Baroness said: My Lords, I move Amendment No. 128 on behalf of my noble friend Lord Northesk. He has asked that I convey his apologies to the House. He simply cannot...

My Lords, I simply want to thank the Minister for the Government’s amendment. I do so because the Government have taken note of a number of anomalies identified by my colleague in the House of Commons, David Howarth, and the amendment is designed to put them right.

My Lords, I simply want to thank the Minister for the Government’s amendment. I do so because the Government have taken note of a number of anomalies identified by my colleague in the House of Commons, David Howarth, and the amendment is designed to put them right.

My Lords, I support the points made so ably and comprehensively by the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater. I also associate myself with the remarks of my noble friend Lady Howe and of the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, under whose presidency I served as a member of his inquiry. When I...

My Lords, I support the points made so ably and comprehensively by the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater. I also associate myself with the remarks of my noble friend Lady Howe and of the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, under whose presidency I served as a member of his inquiry. When I...