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Date
25 April 2013
Reference
2013 c. 20; CHAP 20 2013

Moved by

Lord Cormack

1: Clause 2, page 1, line 6, at beginning insert “Notwithstanding the continuing statutory requirement that no Roman Catholic can succeed to the throne,”

Member
Lord Cormack (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 c1216
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this is the third time that I have raised this subject on the Floor of the House and I hope that my noble and learned friend will feel that this amendment is more modest and more acceptable than the two previous ones. The background is that the monarch...

Member
Lord Cormack (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 cc1216-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, has made generous and kind reference to my contribution on Report and I do not intend to labour and repeat the detailed comments that I made to the House on my understanding both of Roman Catholic canon law and realistic pastoral practice in...

Member
Bishop of Guildford (Bishops (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 cc1217-8
House
House of Lords

Of course, the right reverend Prelate and I have discussed this privately and in the company of others. Does he accept that the incorporation of this amendment into the Bill would in no way cast any different doubts or cause any problems with what he has just referred to?

Member
Lord Cormack (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 c1218
House
House of Lords

I do not believe that that would be the case. Of course, it is up to your Lordships’ House to reach a decision on the amendment should the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, press it.

Member
Bishop of Guildford (Bishops (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 c1218
House
House of Lords

My Lords, is it not the case that when the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Guildford made his statement previously, one or two of us asked whether that could somehow be put on the record in a more secure form? Is this not exactly the sort of way in...

Member
Lord Lea of Crondall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 c1218
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I take a slightly different view from that of my noble friend Lord Deben and indeed have some sympathy with the amendment proposed by my noble friend Lord Cormack. As I see it, the Bill

in its present form paves the way, possibly, for the heir to the...

Member
Lord Trefgarne (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 cc1218-9
House
House of Lords

I declare an interest as a former member of the Royal Household and I pay tribute to the desire of the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, to see this important point discussed in this House. What has just been said about making explicit what is implicit is important, but this amendment...

Member
Lord Janvrin (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 c1219
House
House of Lords

My Lords, in the light of the reassuring words of the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Guildford, I wish to speak only for a moment on the subject of this amendment. I find very little fault with it. The fault that I do find is not in the amendment...

Member
Lord Fellowes (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 c1219
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am sure that the Minister will have concluded that raising the legislation with the other realms would create considerable complications.

If I understood the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, aright, he was making it plain that the purpose of this amendment was to try to remove any misunderstandings...

Member
Lord Luce (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 cc1219-1220
House
House of Lords

My Lords, like several noble Lords who have just spoken, I take the view that this would insert into the Bill an unnecessary recital with no legal force. It would have the complication, as has been mentioned, of making it more complex and difficult to obtain agreement among all the...

Member
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 c1220
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I understand that in tabling the amendment my noble friend Lord Cormack sought to put beyond doubt the requirement that the sovereign be a Protestant and in communion with the Church of England. I readily recognise the concerns expressed by my noble friend; at every stage of the...

Member
Lord Wallace of Tankerness (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 cc1220-1
House
House of Lords

Would it be possible for a copy of this letter to be placed in the Library of the House?

Member
Lord Trefgarne (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 c1221
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this was not a letter, it was a form of words that was agreed between Monsignor Stock and the Cabinet Office that

I have placed on the record. There was a letter to me from the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Guildford that enclosed a copy of...

Member
Lord Wallace of Tankerness (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 cc1221-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to those who have taken part in this brief but, I think, important debate. I listened with particular care to the speech of the right reverend Prelate and, of course, to what my noble and learned friend said. I believe that we have gone some...

Member
Lord Cormack (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 cc1222-3
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord James of Blackheath

2: The Schedule, page 3, line 28, at end insert—

“Union with Scotland Act 1706

6 In Article XXV, Section 2 of the Union with Scotland Act 1706, for “preserve the foresaid Settlement of the true Protestant Religion with the Government Worship Discipline right and Privileges of this...

Member
Lord James of Blackheath (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 c1223
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this is a bit of a minefield, so I tread with care and trepidation. I will make a very brief intervention, primarily to say to my noble friend how much I recognise the concerns he has expressed and the care with which he has followed these matters through....

Member
Lord Eden of Winton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 cc1226-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I certainly understand that my noble friend Lord James of Blackheath has had serious, profound concerns about this Bill which he expressed even before Second Reading. I recognise the persistence and diligence with which he has continued to raise these issues. I am grateful for his kind comments...

Member
Lord Wallace of Tankerness (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 cc1227-8
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for his reply. I reassure him immediately that my concern here is not about the religion of the monarch. I gave up religion at the age of 19 when I was studying for ordination to the Church of England. I discovered that while the Catholics burnt...

Member
Lord James of Blackheath (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 April 2013
Reference
744 c1228
House
House of Lords