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We are trying to take various aspects of the process out of this Bill, and some of the questions that my hon. Friend raises about inquests will be debated during the next Session of Parliament.

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c271
House
House of Commons

I agree with the hon. Gentleman and he is correct to refer to that particular case. Is he confident, however, that the Lords amendment will bring about the required timetables necessary to prevent the trauma that families go through, waiting months, if not years, for an inquest to take place?

Member
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c281
House
House of Commons

Now that I have found the answer, here we go. The hon. and learned Member for Harborough asked me a specific question, which no one but he understood, but it was a good point. It is not that the question was wrong, but our provision relates to inquests—a very few...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c294
House
House of Commons

I do not think that my comment will offend against what you said, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I simply wanted to make the point that if the Bill is introduced in an emergency, the probability is that it will be done in one day and the House will not have a...

Member
Viscount Hailsham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c304
House
House of Commons

We discussed them in relation to 28 days versus 42 days, but I thought that he was saying that we should discuss the draft Bill. We should, and I hope that we will do so as quickly as possible. In the meantime, the Government's position is clear. Nothing in this...

Member
Keith Vaz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c310
House
House of Commons

I apologise for my earlier rush to the Dispatch Box, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I believe that we have agreement to moving this group of amendments en bloc, as the Government agree with all of them.

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c324
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the Minister for those comments. Will he also ensure that if that work is carried out as he says it will be, some regard will be had to the Scottish system? It is worth pointing out that the system we are discussing is not ubiquitous to...

Member
Dominic Grieve (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c259
House
House of Commons

Not necessarily. As the right hon. and learned Gentleman knows, where we go on intercept evidence is subject to considerable debate. As a result of certification, the finder of fact would be a coroner rather than a jury, as already occurs in 98 per cent. of inquests.

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c270
House
House of Commons

When Baroness Hanham moved the Lords amendment in the other place she said that her aim was"““to try to spark a national debate about the retention of samples and to inform the public about what information is being held on them.””—[Official Report, House of Lords, 4 November 2008; Vol. 705,...

Member
David Jones (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c254-6
House
House of Commons

The reassurance that I am sure other hon. Members want is that we will have discussions as that legislation goes through Parliament in the next Session. We will talk to my hon. Friend and have discussions with other hon. Members about its implications, and we will try to ensure that,...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c271
House
House of Commons

The judge still has discretion.

Member
Chris Huhne (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c277
House
House of Commons

That is the big issue. The new Bill might be introduced in the midst of a terrorist outrage and there would be no rational examination to allow us to stand back and consider whether the Bill is appropriate or what we want.

Member
Richard Shepherd (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c299-300
House
House of Commons

No. Before the right hon. Gentleman attempts to come to my rescue, let me say that I stand here because sometimes one makes judgments. I believe that the best way forward is to have a draft Bill, which hon. Members can scrutinise in the Library and the Vote Office, and...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c301
House
House of Commons

That was a compromise arrived at and brokered by the hon. Member for Walsall, North (Mr. Winnick). Were it not for his amendment, I think that we would be hovering somewhere above 50 days and trying to get some reduction from the 90 days that the then Government were trying...

Member
Lord Garnier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c312-3
House
House of Commons

I do not think it has quite the same problems as the Bill as originally drafted, precisely because the amendment provides for a High Court judge to be appointed as coroner to assess whether evidence should be disclosed. The very fact that the coroner is a High Court judge, with...

Member
Chris Huhne (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c280-1
House
House of Commons

I will go on to deal with that subject and if anything remains unclear at the end of my speech, I will be more than happy to take another intervention from the hon. Gentleman. However, let me say now that we think that the provisions here are suitable for the...

Member
Ian Pearson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c315-7
House
House of Commons

I entirely understand the point my hon. Friend is making. The lack of opacity is a powerful argument, as is the lack of consistency and perhaps the lack of a statutory basis for the arrangements. Bearing in mind the fact that all criminals were once people of good character—to use...

Member
Viscount Hailsham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c256
House
House of Commons

All I can say is that there is doubt in the mind of the security services and those who have responsibility for these matters. Indeed, the right hon. and learned Gentleman's party's Front-Bench spokesmen and many of his colleagues accept the concerns that have been expressed about the fact that...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c257
House
House of Commons

What I am saying to my right hon. Friend is that although I cannot predict the outcome of the review of the guidelines, I will ensure that we look into the points that he makes and the concerns that he raises, including his worry about variability and the problems that...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c260
House
House of Commons

I suspect that the hon. Gentleman and I substantively disagree. Obviously, I believe that we need to take the terrorist threat seriously. I imagine that the amendment would mean, if we were talking about a sensible Secretary of State, that there could be exemptions in certain circumstances regarding specific agencies—obviously...

Member
Damian Green (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2008
Reference
483 c242-3
House
House of Commons