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That is very helpful and it is a first step; we are getting there. Supposing someone has two part-time jobs and the Treasury will take the bigger one in terms of the earned income flow. Are we sure that the statement that has just been made will cover both jobs...

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Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope (Liberal Democrat)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c534GC
House
House of Lords

Of course. At this late hour, I am not going to take the Minister to task for saying, ““I think such and such happens””, but perhaps we can find out whether it does happen. I am pleased to hear that as far as he knows the speed and the action...

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Lord Skelmersdale (Conservative)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c555-6GC
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House of Lords

I concur with the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, and the way in which he has moved his amendment. We need to be careful as regards the figure of 25 per cent, which is a very steep cliff edge. In my Amendment No. 100, I suggest reducing the figure to 20...

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Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope (Liberal Democrat)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c551GC
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House of Lords

That is not an unreasonable summary. If we did not have to have regard to realities, the constraints of systems and people’s behaviour, one could have a much more intellectually perfect system of what was included and excluded. Experience shows us that that is not the right way to go....

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Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c555GC
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House of Lords

I am sorry to raise a couple of questions at this late stage. This is obviously a welcome concession as far as it goes. There is no doubt about that, and the Minister deserves credit for introducing it. However, the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, was talking about applications for variations....

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Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope (Liberal Democrat)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c557-8GC
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House of Lords

As I was saying, I will study extremely carefully the interplay between the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwood, the Minister and myself, and decide where, if anywhere, we go from here. In the mean time, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. 89 to 93...

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Lord Skelmersdale (Conservative)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c546GC
House
House of Lords

My 61 per cent is by the end of June, not the end of May; I apologise. That is the percentage of data filtering through.

Member
Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c546GC
House
House of Lords

The intent is that it would be based on the year-end return that employers make to HMRC that then filters through to DWP. The timeframe would generally be that employers have a month to report to HMRC, so that is the end of April, and I think something like 61...

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Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
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Proceeding contributions
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5 February 2008
Reference
698 c546GC
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House of Lords

These amendments mirror concerns raised in amendments debated in the other place that the new calculations rules may not reasonably take account of a non-resident parent’s ability to pay and, in part, they carry on the debate we have just had. It is important that the new rules are seen...

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Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c548-9GC
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House of Lords

I perfectly understand what the Minister has said. I shall think about that a bit more clearly. I certainly accept that government Amendment No. 101 and the groups we are coming to are a significant step in the right direction. We will discuss them when we reach them and I...

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Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c549GC
House
House of Lords

I am most grateful to my noble friend for making exactly the same point as I was going make. If you are not going to use the tax basis, what basis will you use? We also need to be careful about damning all the self-employed as wanting to do all...

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Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c543-4GC
House
House of Lords

When I started on this amendment I suspected that I would be unwise to take on a former accountant, and the exchanges between the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwood, and the Minister have proved that point. We want to be assured that everything taxable reported to HMRC is used as a...

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Lord Skelmersdale (Conservative)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c544GC
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House of Lords

The answer is that no, it would not be. I referred to investment income. That is one case in which you could not just go to HMRC to have that broader calculation; in some cases it would have details of investment income and in others it would not. To base...

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Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c545GC
House
House of Lords

To be as clear as I can on this, it depends on the specific circumstances. If there is data coming from HMRC that has been returned by the employer, that data would be used in the assessment. If there is a variation request coming from the parent with care—we will...

Member
Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c535-6GC
House
House of Lords

I think the latest accuracy data were included in the QSS that was published a few days ago.

Member
Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c536GC
House
House of Lords

I agree that this is a very important group of amendments. Taken together, they relate to the statutory maintenance calculation in the future scheme and they raise a number of important questions about how it will be calculated, what income will be taken into account, how information about that income...

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Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c539-42GC
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House of Lords

Amendment No. 84 would prevent parents who have a maintenance order made by consent, or minutes of agreement registered in the Books of Council and Session or the sheriff court books, from making an application to the commission for a maintenance calculation. At present, they may apply once the order...

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Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c525-6GC
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for that clarification—I had forgotten to ask the question initially. I hear what he says. It is probably a question of going away and having a think to see whether there is any mileage or new points to be brought out of this. The question is...

Member
Lord Addington (Liberal Democrat)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c522GC
House
House of Lords

Yes, although I think that I get the gist of it.

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Lord McKenzie of Luton (Labour)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c522GC
House
House of Lords

Of course, they will receive different amounts if their former partners have different incomes. The presumption is that they will both have the same percentage, unless there was agreement through the lawyers for the first parent with care to have a different percentage because some other trading went on.

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Baroness Hollis of Heigham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 February 2008
Reference
698 c527GC
House
House of Lords