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My Lords, I come at this Bill as a doctor who has for some 30 years worked in the community as a specialist with older people. I feel passionately about the serious inequities between the provision of health and social care and the seriously unjust system we have at the...

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Baroness Murphy (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c50-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I confess to a number of interests. I am president of Alzheimer Scotland and of Scottish Care, and I do some work with the English Community Care Association. That being said, some of us have waited 10 long years. We looked for a response from the Government to...

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Lord Sutherland of Houndwood (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c55-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare an interest as vice-president of Carers UK. I want to give a carers’ perspective on this Bill, but let me be clear about what I mean when I use the word "carer", as there is an increasing tendency to conflate it to mean both the families,...

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Baroness Pitkeathley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c53-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I cannot match the fervour of the analysis of the Bill made by the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, but I start by saying that it is doubly objectionable. It is objectionable in process and it is objectionable in substance. The issue of how long-term care is provided and...

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Lord Turnbull (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c66-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as we have heard in this most interesting debate, this is a very difficult issue. The Government’s proposals obviously have within them a paradox, which many noble Lords have examined. I think that we all recognise the importance of care at home. However, we should also recognise that...

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Lord Carter of Coles (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c64-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am not sure whether this is a modest or an immodest Bill, but it certainly has much to be modest about. Free personal care at home for those in greatest need sounds like a marvellous idea. As others have said, who could possibly be against that? Yet...

Member
Lord Low of Dalston (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c62-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, like the disability organisations with the main interest in this Bill, I welcome its intention to support severely disabled people to remain living in their own homes and the fact that it highlights the urgent need for a national care service that is fair and sustainable to be...

Member
Baroness Wilkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c59-62
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare an interest as president of the Local Government Association—I here express support for amendments to the Bill that the LGA will be promoting but which time does not permit me to address now—as chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Housing and Care for Older People...

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Lord Best (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c46-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I was a member of the Royal Commission on Long-Term Care for the Elderly, which reported in 1999, and with my noble friend Lord Lipsey, co-authored the minority report of that commission in which we opposed the case made by the majority for free personal care for all,...

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Lord Joffe (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c48-50
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister for explaining the Bill. Having recently heard the Secretary of State for Health, Andy Burnham, speak to Cross-Bench Peers about this Bill, I have no doubt of his genuine wish to see this legislation help those most in need of care. He told us...

Member
Baroness Masham of Ilton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c43-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome the Bill. For too long we have neglected the care particularly of elderly people but also of the disabled of all ages. This is a great step towards the introduction of a national care service. It guarantees free personal care at home for the most seriously...

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Baroness Turner of Camden (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c44-6
House
House of Lords

At end insert "and that the Committee shall not meet until Her Majesty’s Government have completed, and published their response to, their consultation on the draft regulations which may be made under the Act, if passed".

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Lord Warner (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c81
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will not detain your Lordships for long but when the House was a good deal emptier than, for some strange reason, it is now, the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, suggested that this was a wrecking amendment. I make it clear that it is not. The responses to...

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Lord Lipsey (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c82
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I take my chastisement from my noble friend like a man, but I do not resile from a single word of what I have said; I would prefer to be in the company of some of those who spoke supportively because I think history will show us to...

Member
Lord Warner (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c81-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I only want to add one sentence: for the reasons that have been given, I urge all those who care about the role of Parliament in these matters to support the amendment. We damage the House’s reputation if, on a matter as important as this, we do not...

Member
Lord Butler of Brockwell (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c83
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support the amendment. A number of us have been reflecting on whether the way that this House scrutinises legislation has yet reached perfection. One of the principles that we are looking at is the question of how the House looks at whether legislation is ready to come...

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Lord Filkin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c82-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, at this stage I must set out very briefly a few issues responding to my noble friend Lord Warner’s amendment and points other noble Lords have made. In a personal comment to the noble Lord, Lord Warner, I say that he should have some faith and join us...

Member
Baroness Thornton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c83-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as one of the last speakers in this debate tonight, I am very pleased to say that I support the Bill. I was just as delighted when the Prime Minister announced this Personal Care at Home Bill at the Labour Party conference. I am very pleased to have...

Member
Baroness Gale (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c68-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, for introducing the Bill. Everyone who heard the "Today" programme this morning will have recognised that she will not have an easy task. If it is any consolation to her, summing up on behalf of the Opposition when the noble Lords,...

Member
Baroness Barker (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c69-72
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is quite clear from everything we have heard today that, rather like one of those trick diagrams where one sees either a pair of human profiles or, alternatively, the outline of two candlesticks, this is a Bill which can be viewed and appreciated from a number of...

Member
Earl Howe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
1 February 2010
Reference
717 c72-6
House
House of Lords