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Statement on the thirteenth report of the Public Administration Select Committee on Caught Red-handed: Why We Can't Count on Police Recorded Crime Statistics (HC 760).

Lead member
Bernard Jenkin
Department
Public Administration Select Committee
Type
Select Committee statements
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 cc440-7
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the Backbench Business Committee for this opportunity to launch the Public Administration Select Committee’s report entitled “Caught red-handed: Why we can’t count on Police Recorded Crime statistics”. The Daily Telegraph has already described our report as “devastating”. That is because this is not just about inaccurate...

Member
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 cc513-442
House
House of Commons

I have a brief question, but first may I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Harwich and North Essex (Mr Jenkin) and PASC for a forensic report which charts a long-standing and deep-seated problem? Sir Andrew Dilnot said in evidence to the Committee that the more accurate crime statistics...

Member
Jack Dromey (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c442
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his compliments, but I am not sure that that is quite what Sir Andrew said. What the Office for National

Statistics has said is that crime may not be falling quite as fast as police recorded crime suggests, but the crime survey...

Member
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 cc442-3
House
House of Commons

May I, on behalf of the Home Office, thank my hon. Friend and his Committee for the serious work they have done? We will, of course, give a proper response in due course to his recommendations. Would he accept that some, but not all, of the issues he has raised...

Member
Norman Baker (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c443
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that. Yes, this is historical, but I am afraid that makes all the more damning the fact that police recorded crime is still being misrecorded in this country. Yes, the Home Office has handed this over to the ONS and the UK...

Member
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c443
House
House of Commons

I commend the hon. Gentleman and the Committee on their work. I have long since stopped trusting police statistics; propaganda banners in the centre of Hammersmith tell me that my constituents are safer because there are 42 extra police, but when I go to the Mayor of London’s website I...

Member
Andy Slaughter (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 cc443-4
House
House of Commons

There are three steps to take to ensure more accurate crime statistics. One is regular audit. The second is to abandon targets. Many police and crime commissioners have abandoned targets altogether, because they recognise that they have a distorting effect on behaviour and attitudes. The third is that the police...

Member
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c444
House
House of Commons

It is never easy to be a whistleblower, but I cannot imagine a much tougher environment to be a whistleblower in than the police service. What practical measures of protection does the Committee recommend to safeguard the interests of people such as my hon. Friend’s brave constituent PC Patrick in...

Member
Julian Lewis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c444
House
House of Commons

We recommend immunity from disciplinary proceedings while a whistleblowing process is under way. That is standard practice in the financial services industry, nuclear industry, aviation sector, transport sector and many other industries, and it should be so in the police as well. I am pleased to say that, in a...

Member
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c444
House
House of Commons

As a member of the Select Committee, I was pleased to have taken part in the work on this first-class report. I congratulate the Chairman on his strong leadership in bringing forward the report and on his statement today. The issue of no-crime rates for rapes and sexual offences is...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c444
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his work on the PASC and for his question. I refer to chart 3 on page 17 of the report, which shows a remarkable

divergence in the average no-crime rate reported for rape incidents. It is important to understand that no constabulary...

Member
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c444
House
House of Commons

I declare an interest as a special constable with the British Transport police. In my brief career with the police, I have never come across any instance where a police officer has knowingly downgraded a crime. Nevertheless, I strongly commend the Chairman for his hard-hitting report, which pulls no punches...

Member
Philip Hollobone (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c445
House
House of Commons

I am most grateful to my hon. Friend for his question. Sadly, I must tell him that there is not a single police officer on the streets or around the Palace who has expressed the least surprise about what we were told in evidence by PC Patrick and many other...

Member
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c445
House
House of Commons

Is not the most egregious example of the waste and futility of target setting what happened in the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime? In seeking to set three targets for reducing crime, reducing costs and improving morale, it decided

to have targets of 20%, 20% and 20% in what...

Member
Paul Flynn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c445
House
House of Commons

Our recommendation is that MOPAC should abandon targets. If it has slogans, they should be aspirations, not targets. The hon. Gentleman, who is on the Committee and for whose work I am grateful, is right that there are aspects of this that raise very serious questions about the ethics and...

Member
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c446
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for the work that he has done on this matter. May I draw Members’ attention to paragraph 39 which says that

“misrecording of sexual offences is deplorable, but especially so if this has been brought about by means of improperly persuading or pressurising victims...

Member
Andrew Turner (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c446
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his comments.

Member
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c446
House
House of Commons

As a member of the PASC, may I, too, congratulate the Chair of the Select Committee on his effective leadership and tenacity in this inquiry? Will he explain to the House why the flaws in the recording system were not picked up through external inspection?

Member
Lindsay Roy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c446
House
House of Commons

In our evidence, we heard that there was not enough internal or external inspection. When Kent police were specially audited a year or two ago, it turned out that there was substantial manipulation of crime statistics. Whether it was advertent or inadvertent, it was happening. The result has been a...

Member
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 April 2014
Reference
579 c446
House
House of Commons