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My Lords, it was just under two weeks ago that the Government announced their intention to ask both Houses of Parliament to agree that we should rejoin the Prüm decisions, which are two European Council decisions under which the police forces of the EU member states are able automatically to...

Member
Lord Rosser (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 cc1642-5
House
House of Lords

The Government gave their reasons for the Prüm decisions not being among the 35 as time and money. Is the Minister really saying that the cost was such that it prevented the Government opting back in to the Prüm decisions earlier? Is he really saying that a Government who were...

Member
Lord Rosser (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 c1646
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I think this will be the shortest speech I have ever made. It is absolutely clear that the majority of the law enforcement community in the United Kingdom has been outraged by the decision of the Government not to be in Prüm. If we are to come back...

Member
Lord Blair of Boughton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 c1641
House
House of Lords

I am immensely in favour of the decision that the Government have taken, but is it reasonable to say that it will take another two years? I really do not understand that decision. If the Minister was able to do so, I would like him to write to me and...

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Lord Blair of Boughton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 c1647
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we are here tonight to debate the Prüm decisions, an EU agreement named after a small German town in which the original Prüm treaty was signed. Prüm is about the sharing, in strictly controlled circumstances, of DNA profiles, fingerprints and vehicle registration data with other countries in order...

Member
Lord Bates (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 cc1636-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I speak as the chairman of the European Union Home Affairs Sub-Committee which prepared the report to which the Motion in my name refers. For reasons that I shall describe later, the report has been prepared at great speed, and I thank all the members of the sub-committee...

Member
Baroness Prashar (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 cc1638-1640
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as the noble Baroness, Lady Prashar, outlined, although the UK was previously party to the agreement, because this Government decided to opt out of all criminal justice co-operation with European partners in May 2014 and were ill-prepared to opt back in to it when opting in to many...

Member
Lord Paddick (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 cc1639-1641
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this has been a short but illuminating debate, and I had not intended to participate. I rise first to thank the Minister for his generous apology about the misunderstandings that have arisen. They are not the first ones with his department but we hope that we will now...

Member
Lord Boswell of Aynho (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 cc1641-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. I particularly thank the noble Baroness, Lady Prashar, for moving her Motion alongside the one which I moved commending the decision, and for presenting the report of the sub-committee on home affairs. I also pay tribute...

Member
Lord Bates (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 c1643
House
House of Lords

That is a very helpful suggestion. I know from experience that where we have had informal discussions with the Minister’s department that has been useful and has not led to any form of “producer capture” or any other potential moral hazard. It is important to realise that it is not...

Member
Lord Boswell of Aynho (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 c1643
House
House of Lords

I agree. I undertake that we will work hard on that. I realise that we will be held to account for our performance in these areas and it is right that that should be the case. As regards the point made by the noble Lords, Lord Paddick and Lord Blair,...

Member
Lord Bates (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 cc1643-6
House
House of Lords

These are not easy issues. As the noble Lord will know, the Labour Government signed up to this in 2007 and did not even put pen to paper between 2007 and 2010 on the Prüm decisions. This is not

straightforward. It is not as if we have not been doing...

Member
Lord Bates (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 c1646
House
House of Lords

I hear what the noble Lord says. I would be very happy to set up a meeting with officials from the Home Office technology team who are working on this to explain the complexities. They are in part technological but are also to do with how we interact on devolved...

Member
Lord Bates (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 c1647
House
House of Lords

Lords motion to support Her Majesty's Government's decision to opt in to the Prüm decisions and the related safeguards put in place in respect of access to data by other States. Agreed to on question.

Lead member
Lord Bates
Answering member
Lord Rosser
Department
Home Office; Procedure Committee (HL)
Type
Debates; Debates on select committee reports
Notes
Debated with Lords motion to take note of the report of the European Union Committee on The United Kingdom's participation in Prüm. (HL 66).
Date
9 December 2015
Reference
767 cc1636-1647
House
House of Lords