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My Lords, in moving that the eighth report from the Committee for Privileges and Conduct be agreed, I will speak also to the third Motion in my name on the Order Paper amending the Code of Conduct. The eighth report covers three areas. First, it proposes minor changes to the...

Member
Lord McFall of Alcluith (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2017
Reference
782 c861
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I do not want to detain the House. First, I very much welcome this eighth report, but reading it made my brain hurt a little, and it is still hurting. The Senior Deputy Speaker said that there are minor changes to the code. Paragraph 7 of the report...

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Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2017
Reference
782 c861
House
House of Lords

All I can say is that the challenge of the mighty noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, is too much for me here today. This was undertaken by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood, with the intention to make the code more consistent. In moving that, the committee accepted...

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Lord McFall of Alcluith (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2017
Reference
782 cc861-2
House
House of Lords

I had the honour, as has already been mentioned, to chair the Sub-Committee on Conduct of the committee whose report this is. Part of our function is to keep the code under review. Declaration of interests is always a tricky area, but we were particularly concerned with the oddity of...

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Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2017
Reference
782 c862
House
House of Lords

Paragraph 7 says:

“‘Might’ implies speculation as to whether an interest is relevant. ‘Would’ implies more certainty”.

Surely in this area we need certainty, not speculation.

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Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2017
Reference
782 c863
House
House of Lords

We need certainty as to when the obligation arises and the interest has to be declared. Surely, the whole object of this is to allay the public’s concern and allay a reasonable person’s suspicion that your interest might influence what you are going to say. That is what paragraph 11...

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Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2017
Reference
782 c863
House
House of Lords

I respectfully agree with the noble and learned Lord, Lord Brown, and perhaps refer to the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth. “Might” is less likely than “would”, but it is a realistic possibility, and it is not, with respect, speculative at all; it just means that it...

Member
Lord Grabiner (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2017
Reference
782 c863
House
House of Lords

I have the responsibility of having participated in the report now put before your Lordships by the Senior Deputy Speaker. What we are proposing is as good as you can get in this area. First, the member of the public is a hypothetical individual—and the more hypothetical you may think...

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Lord Mackay of Clashfern (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2017
Reference
782 c863
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am very much aware that I am speaking to a House full of reasonable people. In that regard, earlier I invited the House to agree the Motion and I shall go back and

ensure a positive exchange between the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, myself and the noble...

Member
Lord McFall of Alcluith (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2017
Reference
782 c863
House
House of Lords

Lords motion to agree the eighth report from the Privileges and Conduct Select Committee on Declarations of Interests: People with Significant Control of a Company (HL 147). Agreed to on question.

Lead member
Lord McFall of Alcluith
Department
Committee for Privileges and Conduct; Senior Deputy Speaker (HL)
Type
Debates on select committee reports
Notes
Debated with Lords motion to resolve that the Code of Conduct for Members of the House of Lords be amended as follows: In paragraph 12, in the first sentence, leave out "this might be" and insert "this would be".
Date
3 April 2017
Reference
782 cc860-4
House
House of Lords