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Lords committee stage third day. Clauses 3 and 4 agreed to. (Part 1 of 2).

Lead member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom; Lord Stewart of Dirleton
Answering member
Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede; Lord Coaker
Department
Home Office; Advocate General for Scotland
Type
Committee of the Whole House (HL); Debates on bills
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 cc381-443
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the independent monitoring committee was established on 2 September 2022 under the terms of the initial memorandum of understanding. Its role has subsequently been enhanced by the treaty between the UK and Rwanda to ensure that the obligations under the treaty are adhered to in practice. The monitoring...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 cc382-3
House
House of Lords

I apologise for interrupting the Minister, but are we right to understand that he is saying that there will be no deportations to Rwanda until the monitoring committee is up and running?

Member
Lord Falconer of Thoroton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c383
House
House of Lords

As far as I understand it, that is the case.

On a point that we will debate further in relation to Amendment 76A tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Purvis of Tweed, and the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, during the period of enhanced monitoring, the monitoring committee will report to the...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c383
House
House of Lords

Will the Minister say whether the reports from the monitoring committee to the joint committee will be made available to the House?

Member
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c383
House
House of Lords

I cannot say that at the moment, but, as I have said, they will be published on a regular basis.

The monitoring committee will be supported in all its work by a new support team, as set out in Article 15.(8) of the treaty. The new support team will consist of...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 cc383-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for outlining the elements of the ETIF and the MEDP, but could he place in the Library a more detailed breakdown? The £20 million credit line for operational does seem to be one part of a credit line. The Minister says that...

Member
Lord Purvis of Tweed (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c384
House
House of Lords

I am happy to commit to providing as much detail as I can in the letter that the noble Lord requests. I am afraid that I do not

know the answer to the foreign development aid question, so I will have to look into that and come back to him.

With...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 cc384-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Stewart of Dirleton, indicated in an earlier amendment that the Government would say how Parliament was going to keep its judgment that Rwanda was a safe country under review because circumstances could change. He was going to tell us, but then said...

Member
Lord Falconer of Thoroton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c386
House
House of Lords

Well, my Lords, I recollect the discussion last week between the noble and learned Lord and my noble friend Lord Wolfson. I think my noble friend pointed out that the right to asylum is not a vested legal right—that there is a right to asylum, but not necessarily in the...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c386
House
House of Lords

Do I take it, then, that the Government’s position reflects the speech made by the noble Lord, Lord Wolfson?

Member
Lord Falconer of Thoroton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c387
House
House of Lords

No, but I think that the noble Lord, Lord Wolfson, summed up the Government’s position rather well, and probably better than I can. I am afraid that we will have to return to the first question asked by the noble and learned Lord in a later group.

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c387
House
House of Lords

Before the Minister sits down, I have a practical question. He says that this will apply retrospectively—what is the Government’s assessment of the numbers of people that this applies to?

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c387
House
House of Lords

I appreciate that the noble Lord asked me about this in the debate last week as well. I will not give him a precise answer at this moment, but will come back to him.

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c387
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who took part in this group of amendments. It has been an interesting group and I think we have teased out quite a bit of the Government’s intentions. It is clear that thousands of people will have these rules applied to them even...

Member
Lord Scriven (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c387
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Etherton

38: Clause 4, page 4, line 12, after “question” insert “or, where the person in question is a member of a particular social group within Article 1A(2) of the Refugee Convention 1951, for that group”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment and the related amendments to Clause 4(1)(b) and Clause 4(4)...

Member
Lord Etherton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 c388
House
House of Lords

My Lords, in speaking to this amendment I will speak to Amendments 40, 43, 45 and 51, which I tabled, all of which are connected.

The current version of Clause 4(1) enables an applicant to oppose removal to Rwanda on the ground that it is not a safe country for the...

Member
Lord Etherton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 cc388-391
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am in favour of the amendments in this group, including that in the name of my noble friend Lord Dubs, who cannot be in his place. I have added my name to those in the name of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Etherton, and I thank...

Member
Lord Cashman (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 cc389-393
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support the two amendments just mentioned by my noble friend Lord Cashman. I remind the Committee, in relation to the LGBT community, that when the law was changed in the mid-1960s in this country it did not end the persecution of homosexuals. For years afterwards, there was...

Member
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 cc393-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have added my name to these amendments. The noble and learned Lord, Lord Etherton, spoke very powerfully in moving them, and I shall not seek to repeat anything that he said. It is a pleasure to follow the experience and knowledge of noble Lords who have spoken...

Member
Lord Purvis of Tweed (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 February 2024
Reference
836 cc394-5
House
House of Lords