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Second debate on the ninth report of the Home Affairs Committee, Session 2012-13, Drugs: Breaking the Cycle, HC 184, and the Government response, Cm 8567. Agreed to on question.

Lead member
Keith Vaz
Answering member
Jeremy Browne
Department
Home Office; Home Affairs Committee
Type
Adjournment debates; Debates on select committee reports
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc265-294WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Bayley, in this important debate. I am pleased to see the Minister here, as well as the colleagues from the Select Committee on Home Affairs who said that they would come. I pay tribute to those Committee members who participated...

Member
Keith Vaz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc265-270WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Bayley, and to follow the Chair of the Select Committee, especially after his kind words. I am not sure that they were entirely accurate. I think that he was referring to the draft Communications Data Bill, which he and I...

Member
Julian Huppert (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc270-6WH
House
House of Commons

It is more astonishing that it was cost-effective for the drugs barons to sink the submarine when it arrived in Africa, because their profits were so enormous that they could just buy another one.

Member
Keith Vaz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 c274WH
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Gentleman is right. I was flabbergasted to find out just how much money was involved. I was even more surprised to discover that, in Portugal, where there has been a problem for a while with people flying drugs in from west Africa—they have tried to combat that—drugs...

Member
Julian Huppert (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc274-7WH
House
House of Commons

I welcome you to the Chair, Mr Bayley. It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship. I apologise, but I have a very sore throat, so my voice is not quite as it should be. It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Cambridge (Dr Huppert). I...

Member
Diana Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc277-9WH
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for taking part in the debate. Given the state of her voice, she probably needs a prescription, so I am grateful to her.

What is the Opposition’s position on compulsory testing on entry and exit? Everyone wants to help people, but if we do not know...

Member
Keith Vaz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 c278WH
House
House of Commons

The Chair of the Select Committee makes a powerful argument for having data that allow us to understand the number of people affected and therefore how to treat them. I am sure the Opposition would want to consider that, recognising that the issue has been raised by the Committee, which...

Member
Diana Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc278-283WH
House
House of Commons

The hon. Lady has highlighted some issues and talked about a failing system. Will she clarify her position on the suggestion of a royal commission to examine the matter and to try to fix the whole system, and on the concept of decriminalisation? Where does she stand on those two...

Member
Julian Huppert (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 c283WH
House
House of Commons

Perhaps I may correct the record. When I talked about a failing system, I meant the legal highs and the temporary banning orders that have been put in place. I am not sure that they are delivering what the Government intended them to do swiftly and efficiently.

On the other point...

Member
Diana Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 c283WH
House
House of Commons

I hope to continue the high level of debate on which the hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull North (Diana Johnson) commented. I am grateful, Mr Bayley, for this opportunity to serve under your distinguished chairmanship and to debate this important subject with hon. Members who take a particularly close...

Member
Jeremy Browne (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc283-4WH
House
House of Commons

I welcome the way in which the Minister is dealing with the issues raised in the debate. On legal highs, does he agree with the Committee that those who sell them need to be responsible for what they do? Would he look at the New Zealand model and try and...

Member
Keith Vaz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 c284WH
House
House of Commons

I am very attracted by the right hon. Gentleman’s suggestion. My intention at the moment is not to go to New Zealand, in part because I am mindful of the cost of doing so and I think we should spend public money cautiously. However, I will be speaking by video...

Member
Jeremy Browne (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc284-5WH
House
House of Commons

The Minister is making a very good case about there being lots of different types of harm and no single obviously right answer. He is absolutely right to say all that, and to say how complicated it is. He talked about it not being straightforward, so does he not think...

Member
Julian Huppert (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 c285WH
House
House of Commons

I think that that is a good argument for elected politicians, including those who have participated in the debate this afternoon, to devote more time to thinking seriously about the subject. The point I was making about a royal commission was that we can put together an expert body of...

Member
Jeremy Browne (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc285-7WH
House
House of Commons

In the light of the fact that for many years, as I understand it, it has been Liberal Democrat policy to have PSHE as part of the statutory national curriculum, I wonder whether the Minister, as a Liberal

Democrat Minister in the coalition Government, is satisfied that enough is currently...

Member
Diana Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 c287WH
House
House of Commons

This is a wider issue. I will engage seriously with the question, because I think that it is fair. It is about the degree to which we, as a Government and a country, use schools to inculcate desirable behaviour in children of school age. There is a powerful lobby in...

Member
Jeremy Browne (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc288-290WH
House
House of Commons

But the point is this: is it not wrong that so many of the people we send to prison get the drugs habit there? Does that not show that something is wrong with the prison regime? If people are tested, helped and rehabilitated when they are in prison, things will...

Member
Keith Vaz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 c290WH
House
House of Commons

My short answer to the right hon. Gentleman’s question is yes, it is wrong. It is a source of great regret and sadness that someone might go to prison, not as a drug taker or drug addict, and become one while they are there. I recognise there are practical difficulties...

Member
Jeremy Browne (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 cc290-2WH
House
House of Commons

The Minister is absolutely right to say that there are different strengths of both THC and some of the psychoprotective components of cannabis. It is of course hard to regulate and set standards for something that is fundamentally illegal. Has the Minister looked at the experience in California, for example,...

Member
Julian Huppert (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 June 2013
Reference
563 c292WH
House
House of Commons