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Provisional police grant report (England and Wales) 2011/12.17 p.

Deposited by
Home Office
Type
Deposited papers
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
DEP2010-2249
House
House of Lords; House of Commons

Lords statement on public order policing of the student protests in Westminster and the West End on 9 December.

Lead member
Lord Strathclyde
Department
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
Type
Ministerial statements
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c416-26
House
House of Lords

My honourable friend the Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice (Nick Herbert) has today made the following Written Ministerial Statement. I have today placed in the Library my proposals for the aggregate amount of grant to police authorities (referred to in the report as the police core settlement)...

Member
Baroness Neville-Jones (Conservative)
Department
Home Office
Type
Written statements
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c76-86WS
House
House of Lords

I have today placed in the Library my proposals for the aggregate amount of grant to police authorities (referred to in the report as the Police Core Settlement) in England and Wales for 2011-12, for the approval of the House. I have also given an indication of how I intend...

Member
Lord Herbert of South Downs (Conservative)
Department
Home Office
Type
Written statements
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
520 c72-80WS
House
House of Commons

My Lords, what discussions are taking place with the organisers of these demonstrations, in particular the student unions, to discuss the most helpful ways in which they can dissociate and separate themselves from the violent elements who are clearly infiltrating their ranks on these demonstrations?

Member
Lord Harries of Pentregarth (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c423-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I join those who have expressed horror at the ease with which a relatively small number of aggressive anarchists were able to hijack what otherwise was a properly constituted and utterly justified demonstration. Perhaps I may invite the Minister to bear in mind the wise and statesmanlike words...

Member
Lord Elystan-Morgan (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c422
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Lord Callaghan had wise things to say from time to time, and I am sure that that was one of them. The noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan, referred to a relatively small number. That was our assessment on some of the earlier demonstrations, but we have increasingly taken the...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c422
House
House of Lords

My Lords, will my noble friend Lord Strathclyde comment on the statement made by the Minister last Thursday that the order ensuring Peers and MPs’ entry to Parliament has now been dropped? Is he aware that a top constitutional expert in this House has assured me this morning that Peers...

Member
Baroness Knight of Collingtree (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c422
House
House of Lords

My Lords, my noble friend is quite correct to say that nothing should be done outside this building which stops either of the Houses from being able to continue their work, and I am glad to say that nothing last Thursday or on any of the previous demonstrations allowed that...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c422-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, may I express my sympathy for the difficulties in which the police found themselves, and my admiration for the way in which, by and large, they handled the event? I have two questions. First, the Statement says that those who wished to leave the area of containment and,...

Member
Lord Dubs (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c421
House
House of Lords

My Lords, on the first point, about being able to leave the area of containment, my understanding is exactly as the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, said: that those who wanted to leave, and to do so peacefully, were given the opportunity to do so through Whitehall. Furthermore, I gather that...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c421
House
House of Lords

My Lords, mention has been made of the number of officers involved. First, does the Leader of the House have any information on the numbers of officers who were brought in from forces outside London? Secondly, he will recall that, at the time of the G20 protests, there was a...

Member
Baroness Hamwee (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c421
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as I said in the Statement, 2,800 officers were in and around central London on Thursday. I do not have the figures on how many of those originated from forces outside London but if I can find out I shall let the noble Baroness know. As far as...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c421-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare an interest as a member of the Metropolitan Police Authority, and it would therefore probably be inappropriate for me to ask any questions about the detailed policing arrangements. The noble Baroness, Lady Trumpington, raised the issue of the tented community opposite the Houses of Parliament and...

Member
Lord Harris of Haringey (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c423
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I think that responsibility for Parliament Square was handed over to the GLA when it was set up, and therefore to the Mayor of London, so I can confirm that there is a confusing and sometimes disjointed ownership of different parts of the square. The grass is the...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c423
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, has made a good point. I do not like the word ““kettling”” either. I am not entirely certain either where it came from or exactly what it means but the word that the police and the Government use is ““containment””. It is a...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c424-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the noble and right reverend Lord is entirely correct to point out that there is an absolute responsibility on the student union, the organisers of these marches and the police to have a dialogue in order to decide on a route and on roles of behaviour. As I...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c424
House
House of Lords

My Lords, on a practical point, does my noble friend agree that it would be extremely helpful if noble Lords who want to get here to register their votes but who do not want their arrival to coincide with the most difficult periods of these protests could obtain information closer...

Member
Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c424
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I continue to declare an interest as someone who was formerly elected deputy president of the National Union of Students. First, does my noble friend know whether the police have any estimate of the number of non-students taking part in the events? Secondly, on the basis of the...

Member
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c425
House
House of Lords

My Lords, there was a nice joke at the end there about anarchy and organisation. I note my noble friend’s interest. I am sure that when he was vice-president of the NUS, he would not have organised a demonstration such as this. As for the direct question about how many...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c425
House
House of Lords