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Debate on a motion that this House has considered the matter of defence policy.

Lead member
Bob Ainsworth
Answering member
Liam Fox
Department
Ministry of Defence
Type
Debates
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c458-542
House
House of Commons

indicated assent.

Member
Lord Soames of Fletching (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c540
House
House of Commons

I cannot pay my hon. Friend the Member for Newbury (Mr. Benyon) enough of a tribute for the remarkable speech that he has just made.

Member
Julian Brazier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c521
House
House of Commons

That is a hard question. I do not find it particularly surprising—it simply demonstrates the Liberal spokesman's confusion or possibly lack of local knowledge. The Conservatives have not said unequivocally that they would like the aircraft carriers. They have pushed the matter into the middle distance, presumably hoping that something...

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c506-7
House
House of Commons

I am extremely grateful to the Secretary of State, who is being extremely generous in giving way. In the light of his answer, in which he referred to "that region", will he confirm that three quarters of the terrorist threats to this country originated in Pakistan whereas the other quarter...

Member
Paul Flynn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c461
House
House of Commons

The Secretary of State has been generous in giving way, and he has taken a long-term interest in reserves, for which I am particularly grateful. However, I really do urge him to bear in mind that, however professional our regular forces are, they have a very long history of not...

Member
Julian Brazier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c471
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. Indeed, I do, and my electorate in Plymouth, Devonport should certainly take note of the position of those two Opposition parties. We currently have some capacity, but not on the size and scale of the carriers. For example, current exercises in the...

Member
Alison Seabeck (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c494-5
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman makes a good point, although one of the Afghan national army's strengths has been that it is drawn from all over and is not always deployed using people in their own areas. Indeed, that is one of its strengths over the Afghan police, which tend to be...

Member
Nick Harvey (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c491-2
House
House of Commons

I join others in paying tribute to all those who have lost their lives recently in Afghanistan, not least Guardsman Jamie Janes of 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards, in which I served, who died tragically on 5 October in Nad Ali district in Helmand province while on foot patrol. Our thoughts...

Member
Lord Swire (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c523-6
House
House of Commons

Will the hon. Lady forgive me for a moment? Secondly, on the Territorial Army, Lieutenant-General Sir Hew Pike, a former inspector-general of the TA, wrote a letter to The Times last week, which he started like this:""Sir, The decision to suspend training and matches would quickly spell the death knell...

Member
Lord Soames of Fletching (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c502-3
House
House of Commons

I am sure that the Secretary of State would agree that until we reach the point that he has just described, we need to ensure that we have enough troops in theatre to carry out the task that is asked of them. At the height of the troubles, we had...

Member
John Baron (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c459
House
House of Commons

So why do we not use more reserve aircrews, particularly for helicopters, as the Americans do? The fact that we currently have one reservist Apache pilot—oddly enough, a Royal Naval Reserve officer—out in Helmand shows that reservists can meet a range of such requirements, and plenty of people who work...

Member
Julian Brazier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c466-7
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman knows that I have allowed him to beat up certain people in the MOD over a period to put his point of view that there are ways in which we can get more helicopter crews into the roulement, and any ideas that he has are always welcome,...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c467
House
House of Commons

Can my right hon. Friend explain the circumstances in which we blew up two of our own Chinook helicopters? I understand that they had been lightly damaged—one from a hard landing, and the other by being attacked by gunfire, not by a surface-to-air missile. Why could we not guard those...

Member
Paul Flynn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c467
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend the Member for Billericay (Mr. Baron) spoke about the need for helicopters. Yesterday, the Prime Minister said that there would be more Chinooks, but he did not say how many and when. Is the Secretary of State able to say now how many there will be, and...

Member
Peter Bone (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c465
House
House of Commons

I shall come on to equipment very shortly in my speech. Nothing can eliminate completely the dangers of the battlefield. The nature of the mission in Afghanistan—a counter-insurgency campaign among the people—means that our forces need to get out of the Chinooks and the Mastiffs and engage with people. As...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c465-6
House
House of Commons

What does the second condition—that there should be an agreed approach to burden sharing within the coalition—actually mean? We have been there for the past eight years and have not achieved such an agreement. Why does the Secretary of State think that we might get one in the foreseeable future—that...

Member
Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c465
House
House of Commons

The Secretary of State said that he has the support of the Conservatives, but I think that that extends only to the support given to the armed forces. Time and again, we have suggested that the Government are adopting the wrong strategy in Afghanistan. That has now been proved by...

Member
Tobias Ellwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c460
House
House of Commons

The Secretary of State is quite right about the superb job that Brigadier Radford has done. I am glad to be able to tell the Secretary of State that Brigadier Radford has accepted the invitation of the all-party group on the Army to come to a reception on the Terrace...

Member
James Gray (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c462
House
House of Commons

I know that my hon. Friend does not support our involvement in Afghanistan and thinks that it is not linked to our national security, but he knows that all the time we are thwarting threats to our security back here at home; most recently, people were prosecuted for the attempted...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 October 2009
Reference
497 c460
House
House of Commons