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Debate on bill on Wednesday, 4 July 2007, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Hain. The answering member was Lord Grayling.

Child Maintenance and Other Payments Bill

Child Maintenance and Other Payments Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Committee, on Report, Third Reading and any other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Carry-over motion that if proceedings on the Bill have not been completed by the conclusion of this Session, they shall be resumed in the next Session. Agreed to on question. Money resolution agreed to on question. Ways and Means resolution agreed to on question.

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
462 c981-1039 
Session
2006-07
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Programme motions
Carry-over motions
Money resolutions
Ways and means resolutions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Mike Weir | 462 c1008 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way again?
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Danny Alexander | 462 c1008 (Link to this contribution) I certainly do. I hope that that matter will be teased out in Committee. To a large extent, the unde...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1007;462 c1006-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may have had the same experience as I have—of the most difficult cases being refe...
Mike Weir | 462 c1006 (Link to this contribution) To emphasise that point, another problem is that when people phone the CSA, they never speak to the ...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1006 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. He makes an important point. The continuation of t...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1005-6;462 c1005 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State, but my wife is not yet on her way to hospital. He can rest ...
Mike Weir | 462 c1006 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely. The fact that two or three systems are operating in the agency undermines confiden...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1004-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Barnsley, West and Penistone (Mr. Clapham) and I want...
Lord Hain | 462 c1005 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has my congratulations and those of the whole House on that big event. If he feel...
Mike Weir | 462 c1008 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman, who is very generous. There is also the point that if there were a probl...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1008-10 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. In the current legal position, I suspect that empowering the ...
Mark Todd | 462 c1010 (Link to this contribution) That resounding vote of confidence in HMRC’s abilities to handle the collection and sharing out of m...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1010 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention. My experience of HMRC in relation to the paying out of money un...
Lord Hain | 462 c981 (Link to this contribution) That is not the interpretation that I would put on it, but I will certainly consider the hon. Gentle...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c981-2 (Link to this contribution) It is a laudable aim to encourage parents to make their own arrangements. However, is the Secretary ...
Lord Hain | 462 c981 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be read a Second time. The Bill provides for a new system of child mai...
Mike Weir | 462 c981 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate and support what the Secretary of State is saying. The Law Society of Scotland has poin...
Lord Grayling | 462 c983 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate, as I am in the same position, that the Secretary of State is new to the job. None the ...
Lord Hain | 462 c983 (Link to this contribution) We must get the matter right, for the reasons that my right hon. Friend the Member for Birkenhead (M...
Michael Clapham | 462 c983 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, creating a position whereby parents can reach an arrangement is important. Will my right ho...
Lord Hain | 462 c982 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a reasonable point. In these situations, people on low incomes are the most vul...
Alistair Carmichael | 462 c982 (Link to this contribution) Further to the Secretary of State’s answer to the hon. Member for Angus (Mr. Weir), may I impress up...
Lord Hain | 462 c982 (Link to this contribution) We are trying to put in place a more sensible and flexible alternative, and I think that there is wi...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 462 c982 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the whole House agrees that, where possible, people should come to their own sensible ar...
Lord Hain | 462 c982-3 (Link to this contribution) We are still carefully researching incentives to work—an issue that my right hon. Friend has continu...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 462 c983 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Secretary of State’s comments. However, let us suppose that the Government dec...
Lord Hain | 462 c983 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a fair point, as always. However, balanced against that is the need for a...
Lord Hain | 462 c986 (Link to this contribution) I thought, at first, that I was agreeing with the hon. Gentleman, but I must flatly disagree with hi...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c986 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of States mentions the welcome news that 40,000 more children will be raised out of po...
Mary Creagh | 462 c985 (Link to this contribution) Has my right hon. Friend had time to talk to my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Justice...
Danny Alexander | 462 c984 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has been generous in giving way. Let me clarify the point that he just made. ...
Lord Hain | 462 c985 (Link to this contribution) As I shall explain shortly, an escape route back to the CMEC is important in the event of a voluntar...
John Penrose | 462 c985 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Secretary of State for that response, but I am trying to make the point that if one cann...
Lord Hain | 462 c985 (Link to this contribution) I must confess that I have not. I will ensure that I inquire into the matter and I am grateful to my...
John Penrose | 462 c985 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State mentioned the importance of cost effectiveness. Will he clarify whether coupl...
Mike Weir | 462 c987 (Link to this contribution) I would like to clarify the Secretary of State’s answer to the hon. Member for Epsom and Ewell (Chri...
Lord Hain | 462 c988-90 (Link to this contribution) I believe that the assessments are for 12 months and we are studying the hon. Lady’s points. I know ...
Jo Swinson | 462 c988 (Link to this contribution) I have dealt with cases involving the self-employed and non-resident payments. On avoiding payments,...
Lord Hain | 462 c986-7 (Link to this contribution) For a Secretary of State doing this particular job, there is always a certain wariness about accepti...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 462 c986 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is providing an estimate of the number of children who will be lifted out of ...
Lord Hain | 462 c987 (Link to this contribution) Speaking as a former Leader of the House, I am always anxious to assist the House, and the Prime Min...
Lord Grayling | 462 c987 (Link to this contribution) May I ask the Secretary of State to approach the issue in another way? Will he set out for the House...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 462 c990 (Link to this contribution) Paying maintenance should never be a criterion for having access to a child, but many people who do ...
Lord Hain | 462 c990 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, I shall look at everything that my right hon. Friend suggests, because he brings unique e...
Jeremy Wright | 462 c990 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Grayling | 462 c994-5 (Link to this contribution) As the right hon. Gentleman knows, the Government first started addressing this issue in 2000, befor...
Lord Hain | 462 c994 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman mean by that that I ““ain’t heard nothing yet”” from his hon. Friend? May I...
David Evennett | 462 c994 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has been speaking pearls of wisdom.
Lord Grayling | 462 c992-4 (Link to this contribution) There cannot be a Member of this House who has not witnessed the harsh financial consequences of rel...
Lord Hain | 462 c990-2 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I agree that that 65 per cent. is a representative figure, but we obviously need ...
Maria Miller | 462 c990 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State rightly talks about the importance of robust enforcement, but is he aware of ...
Lord Hain | 462 c990 (Link to this contribution) May I just finish this point? Then I will give way. Members will be aware that the White Paper also...
Lord Grayling | 462 c995 (Link to this contribution) In the past few years, the Government have spent more than £500 million sorting out this problem, an...
David Evennett | 462 c995 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a very good point. Although we accept that there have been improvements ove...
Lord Hain | 462 c995 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way again. His assuming a monopoly of moral wisdom on...
Jeremy Wright | 462 c995-6 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that one reason why Members in all parts of the House have so many such ca...
Lord Grayling | 462 c995 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and it is a shame that it has taken so long to make some of the proposed changes. As I have ...
Danny Alexander | 462 c996 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a very important point about the need to publish regulations in draft. ...
Lord Grayling | 462 c996 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an extremely good point. We can only hope that the successor body—I will return...
Lord Grayling | 462 c996 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good point; let us hope that the Secretary of State picks up on it and pu...
Lord Grayling | 462 c997-8 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. Having waited so long for these essential reforms on such an important subject, which af...
John Penrose | 462 c998 (Link to this contribution) It seems sensible that the advice functions should be outsourced, as CMEC will be focusing on enforc...
Lord Grayling | 462 c998-1000 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a number of important points, and we will look forward with interest to seeing ...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 462 c1000 (Link to this contribution) Before the hon. Gentleman finishes, will he give the House one piece of information? He has criticis...
Lord Grayling | 462 c1000 (Link to this contribution) I can assure the right hon. Gentleman and the Secretary of State that we have no intention of dividi...
Maria Miller | 462 c1001 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman happy that the clear break that he mentions will be achieved if, as is detaile...
Michael Clapham | 462 c1001 (Link to this contribution) I accept that it is not good enough, but we have seen gradual improvements. When the process was exa...
Michael Clapham | 462 c1000-1 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the new DWP team to their positions and I am sure that my right hon. Friend the Secretary ...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 462 c1002 (Link to this contribution) I wish to emphasise the importance of the point that my hon. Friend makes. In the past 10 years, we ...
Michael Clapham | 462 c1001 (Link to this contribution) In talking about a clear break, Sir David Henshaw realised that the staff, who have worked hard—as h...
Michael Clapham | 462 c1002 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for that comment, which will have been heard by the Opposition...
Maria Miller | 462 c1002-3;462 c1002 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way again. He is right to say that private agreements will pla...
Michael Clapham | 462 c1003-4 (Link to this contribution) I hope that we will be able to get the details of how CMEC will do its work when we discuss the Bill...
Lord Hain | 462 c1002 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for the interest that he is taking, and I agree with him and my righ...
Michael Clapham | 462 c1002 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for that information. The very fact that trade union rights wi...
James Plaskitt | 462 c1037-8 (Link to this contribution) We have already given that matter careful consideration and I have tried to explain to the hon. Gent...
Jeremy Wright | 462 c1037 (Link to this contribution) No doubt this is a matter to which we can return in Committee, but will the Minister at least accept...
James Plaskitt | 462 c1036-7 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend knows, we have already published staff numbers through to 2008 as part of the Depa...
Michael Jabez Foster | 462 c1036 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not being present for much of the debate, but on the question of staff numbers, in m...
James Plaskitt | 462 c1035-6 (Link to this contribution) As I have indicated, given that the CMEC comes into being only in 2008 and steadily increases its du...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1035 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister leaves the subject of detail that will be in regulations, can he set out for the...
David Evennett | 462 c1014 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a fair point. My office has had similar experience. The nub of the issue is...
Mark Todd | 462 c1014-5 (Link to this contribution) One of the tests of the legislation will undoubtedly be the proportion of cases that can be dealt wi...
Mark Todd | 462 c1011 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is being generous with his time, but the Chamber is fairly empty. Perhaps his spe...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1011-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. Some abuses are obvious, and sometimes the parent in ca...
David Evennett | 462 c1012-4 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow the hon. Member for Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey (Danny Alexan...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1014 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making an important point. One of the problems that our constituents often hav...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1010 (Link to this contribution) It is ruthless, as the hon. Gentleman says. On that basis, the idea has serious merit and should be ...
Jeremy Wright | 462 c1010 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that another concern about the involvement of HMRC is that expressed b...
Danny Alexander | 462 c1010-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting and important point. It might help to support the argument t...
James Plaskitt | 462 c1034-5 (Link to this contribution) There are two main parts to that. The extension of the £10 disregard will come in quite quickly. As ...
Maria Miller | 462 c1034 (Link to this contribution) The Minister speaks about the importance of developing an architecture for the commission. I underst...
John Barrett | 462 c1023-7 (Link to this contribution) This is a very serious debate. Many people have waited far too long to discover what is to replace t...
Maria Miller | 462 c1028-32 (Link to this contribution) We have, I fear, heard from Members on both sides of the House a catalogue of concern caused by the ...
Andrew Selous | 462 c1021 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the Australian CSA practice of helping long-distance parenting, where...
Hywel Williams | 462 c1021-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for making that point, and I certainly hope that CMEC will provide an act...
Jeremy Wright | 462 c1016-9 (Link to this contribution) I begin, as the Under-Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, the hon. Member for Warwick and Leam...
David Evennett | 462 c1015 (Link to this contribution) I endorse that. It encapsulates my passionate belief that there is a place for the state, but where ...
Maria Miller | 462 c1007-8 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman share my slight concern about the difference between the numbers that we wer...
Speaker | 462 c981 (Link to this contribution) Before I call the Secretary of State, I must tell the House that the Order Paper should have include...
Hywel Williams | 462 c1019-21 (Link to this contribution) May I begin by welcoming the Front-Bench speakers to their respective posts? I have to say that beca...
Lord Hain | 462 c984-5 (Link to this contribution) There will be no conflict of interest. We want to maximise the opportunities of, for example, Citize...
Lord Hain | 462 c986 (Link to this contribution) We obviously have to be very careful about the impact on work incentives. However, the principle beh...
Lord Hain | 462 c987-8 (Link to this contribution) That sounds to me like a job application to get on to the Public Bill Committee that considers the B...
Lord Hain | 462 c994 (Link to this contribution) May I just interrupt the hon. Gentleman’s rant against the Prime Minister—
James Plaskitt | 462 c1032-4 (Link to this contribution) We have had a thoughtful debate—I am inclined to say that it was something of a specialist debate—du...
Lord Hain | 462 c984 (Link to this contribution) Yes. One of the provisions of the measure and of the new non-departmental public body will be a stro...
John Barrett | 462 c1001 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that collecting £1.85 for every £1 spent in doing so is not good enoug...
Subjects
Children Conditions of employment Administrative delays Child Support Agency ICT Enforcement Driving Earnings rules Industrial diseases Maintenance Personal income Low incomes Parents Poverty Staff Passports Lone parents Mesothelioma Reform Self-employed Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission
Legislation
Child Maintenance and Other Payments Bill 2006-07 to 2007-08
Link
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